05-21-2006, 06:38
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The problem of medical loads with rucksacks in dismounted & long range patrolling
How have you other Docs and Medics carried a full modern medical load while also carrying your non-medical sustainment gear while rucking, what are your solutions?
I have a SKEDPAK that I'm trying to get away from. The medical compartment is much smaller than a STOMP2, which eats up space in the accessory pouches that are designed to hold personal gear. Overall, this bag is too small, and needs to be bigger by 2000-3000 cubic inches. Using it with the TSSI m4 provides more space and a jump bag capability. The m4 holds CUF and minimalist TFC items, and the SKED ruck has the advanced TFC stuff. No space for overlapping BLS between the two bags.
Solutions I've come up with;
1) Kifaru MMR/EMR: No doubt it has the cubes, but pricey as hell. I'd strap the TSSI m4 to the top as a jump bag. Drop a med insert or an underloaded STOMP2 bag into the main comprtment with just the advanced TFC items.
2) BHI SOF ruck. It's big and quite a bit cheaper than the Kifaru. I'd do the same as above with a STOMP2 & TSSI m4.
3) MOLLE2 ruck w/STOMP2 attached: Remove the sleeping bag carrier, strap on the STOMP2, voila! Think it will work? Would also use the TSSI m4 strapped to the top. Will always have a MOLLE2 ruck so this is a free solution.
4) Increased use and reliance on 1st line med gear (leg rigs, med vests).
Yeah, this is a lot of black and white.
Please Advise,
Dan
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05-21-2006, 08:13
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Simple.
They make the rest of the team carry part of it, just like the commo man and the engineer.
You lose a teammate because he bled to death, you will carry whatever the medic says to take, even if it means dumping your spare t-shirt or one stripped MRE per day.
If your teammates expect you to treat them if they get hit, and they are travelling lighter than you, they need to be humping IVs and gear for themselves.
You might want to shake yourself down for personal gear before asking that. They catch you redistributing mission gear to them while carrying comfort items for yourself, an ass-whipping might be coming.
TR
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05-21-2006, 17:18
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Dan,
Like The Boss said, you need to go through your kit first. You are probably carrying too much crap, both medical and other. The Army's solution a few years ago was an M5 stuffed under the top flap of a large ALICE. Now you have options.
As for the Kifaru being too pricey, if you think it will solve your problem, invest the money. Never scrimp on your kit. If you don't like it, I hear the re-sale value is good on them. As long as it is coyote. 
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05-21-2006, 17:20
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
As for the Kifaru being too pricey, if you think it will solve your problem, invest the money. Never scrimp on your kit. If you don't like it, I hear the re-sale value is good on them. As long as it is coyote. |
Funny, I happen to have a new addition to my ruck collection.
It is a Kifaru, but it isn't Coyote. 
TR
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05-21-2006, 21:22
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Funny, I happen to have a new addition to my ruck collection.
It is a Kifaru, but it isn't Coyote.
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No pics Sir?
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05-22-2006, 05:35
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TR-
I remeber those days - a large ALICE w/ the M5 under the flap - then we went to the 'tactical duffel bag' (lowe expedition) - and had to put the m5 under the flap. Our Team SOP was - each man carries 2 IVs, and a basic med kit to replenish a 'single use' out of the M5 - and everybody (including the 18Ds) carried commo, demo, ammo loads - nobody got off light, and the XO got the "comfy chair". Cross loading is an art - and it's a whole team responsibility IMHO.
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03-14-2009, 01:09
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I like to use lots of cordage and ingenuity. lol. Cross load it.
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04-08-2013, 23:42
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One thing I have tried and liked was rigging two CLS bags together for extended dismounted patrols and slinging them that way you still have immediate access without having to drop your gear.
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05-02-2015, 04:14
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Just figured I'd share this to see if it helped anyone else out. This is a setup for relatively long infils with low weight. All setup it weighs less than 30 pounds - Smoke
- 4 Magazines with dump pouch
- Food Pouch
- GP Pouch with Narcs and signalling
- NVG pouch with mount, headlamp and flashlight
- 24 foot tubular nylon with 3 carabiners
- NARP CLS bag with ripshears
- Sam Splint taped behind kidney pad
- 3L water bladder
- 100 rounds 7.62 linked
- X2 mortars
I also roll with a fanny pack that has a stripped down cric kit, earpro, tourniquetX2, Chest Tube Kit, Cards, Pens and Diagnostics(small wrist BP and Pulse Ox). With an IFAK on everyone, this is more than enough supplies for operations ~80-100Px with two medics carrying this loadout. It also weighs half of what fully dedicated aidbags weigh and you can take out the CLS bag and roll with it standalone W/fanny pack if needed.
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