H&K's new 45ACP offering.

[rubberneck]

I found these pics on a different message board in a thread about H&K's entrant in the JCP trials. I am sure the H&K afficiandos here will approve.

Some of the QP's might recognize the gentleman in picture number 2. Since he is identified by name in another one of the pictures that appeared in the magazine I hope it is ok to post them here without blacking his face out.

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

The only thing I notice in slide number two is that he appears to have his thumb jammed up along the slide. Perhaps this is to reduce the rate of fire

[Chris]

It will reduce the skin on his thumbs!

Looks good, I like the USP series pistols. I hope the adjustable backstrap on this version will fit my hands better. Better come in black.

[Tuukka]

Well, having owned an USP for eight years and apart from a very few, user induced failures, it has never failed to fire.

With the proper people providing input on this new pistol, it looks to be an excellent weapon.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

The only thing I notice in slide number two is that he appears to have his thumb jammed up along the slide. Perhaps this is to reduce the rate of fire

Like this Sir?

Its a new sort of hold. You can place your thumb on the slide all you like.... its what I also teach....

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Like this Sir?

Its a new sort of hold. You can place your thumb on the slide all you like.... its what I also teach....

It works. Takes a while to integrate though, especially if you learned to lock the firing thumb under the non-firing thumb (like most of us older guys did). Personally I've never had problems with slide contact while using it. It does make it easier to manipulate switches on rail mounted pistol lights with the non-firing thumb. My .02 - Peregrino

[NousDefionsDoc]

I shoot thumbs forward too. Like in the TS picture.

That HK is a nice looking weapon. Do we like this one TS?

[rubberneck]

I am glad I am not the only one here who shots with his thumbs high. Here are a couple more pics.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

I shoot thumbs forward too. Like in the TS picture.

That HK is a nice looking weapon. Do we like this one TS?

Ya know, phrench fires now come “biggie sized”.

We wear different size underwear, shoes, hats etc. Its time for weapons to change size to accommodate shooters different hand sizes.

Most don’t have large hands. Most don’t possess a guerilla grip. Most lack the upper body and forearm strength requisite to shoot handguns accurately, again and again.

H&K has (evidently) re-invented the grip close to that of a 1911. Easy to wrap your hands around and easier to “hold on” to a hand cannon such as the .45. It makes up for not possessing grip strength. We'll see. (I've yet to shoot one.)

I like most things H&K, but the weapon pictured sure is ugly…..

TS

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Like this Sir?

Its a new sort of hold. You can place your thumb on the slide all you like.... its what I also teach....

Well who says you can't teach old dogs new tricks? Guess it's time to get retrained. Guess the next thing you'll tell me is that they did away with the metal canteen, the wooden handle entrenching tool and the Davey Crocket?

[12B4S]

Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

Well who says you can't teach old dogs new tricks? Guess it's time to get retrained. Guess the next thing you'll tell me is that they did away with the metal canteen, the wooden handle entrenching tool and the Davey Crocket?

Herr Colonel....

First. Yep you can have a thumb on the slide. You will not feel it while shooting. That night or the next day, you feel a tingle type thing. No big deal, even after 300 rounds. TS had his hands full, teaching us last Tuesday. It was RL's third time....... all of them with TS. Quite impressive. After all he does live in the land of the grasseater. Hmmmmmmm. to much to type.

However, yeah.... they did away with the metal canteen as you well know. the reason being, for example, when I was a Boy Scout. If one put soda in a metal canteen, it wrecks it. I dunno know if they have come up with a super, high tech, space age material for the entrenching tool. Those things were no fun anyway........

[DPB]

Q,

From what I've seen, at least for contractors, that's a negative on seeking heavier caliber weapons. The only guys I've seen with .45s appeared to be USMS working in the Green Zone. There is effectively no .45 ammo available, and since late '04/ early '05, the guns haven't been readily available either, due to the reasons M4guru mentioned. Most of the reputable companies are issuing G19s, but there are a few SIGs and 92s floating around as well.

Same for long guns. There are no readily available 7.62 long guns that are as functional around vehicles as M-4s. Truth be told, of all the Army guys I've seen, in both the red and green zones, there aren't very many of them carrying M14s either. Since this is very much a war on wheels, all of the vehicles carry heavier weapons, but Army has the same problems maneuvering longer guns in and out of vehicles while wearing 50 pounds of armor and accessories. Some of the contractor companies still run the roads with AKs, but everyone who can get ARs into country is using ARs.

Add the fact that an increasing number of contracts will fire you if they catch you with a non issued weapon, there are not that many people getting overly creative with the blasters.