non-select

odu · 04-12-2006, 08:20

I hope that I am not going outside of my lane with this question. I went to selection this past year and was a non-select. I know that I stunk up the STAR but we were told that land navigation was not the only reason we were not chosen. I am preparing to return to Camp Mackall this June for another try and I am attempting to cure all of my deficiencies. We were not counseled on what the reason(s) we were not selected. I am wondering if there is a way to find out what reason beside land nav that I was not selected.

I fully understand the statement "do your best" however I feel without at least attempting to get some feedback then I am not doing my best.

Thank you very much

**Team Sergeant** · 04-12-2006, 08:29

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Originally Posted by odu

I hope that I am not going outside of my lane with this question. I went to selection this past year and was a non-select. I know that I stunk up the STAR but we were told that land navigation was not the only reason we were not chosen. I am preparing to return to Camp Mackall this June for another try and I am attempting to cure all of my deficiencies. We were not counseled on what the reason(s) we were not selected. I am wondering if there is a way to find out what reason beside land nav that I was not selected.

I fully understand the statement "do your best" however I feel without at least attempting to get some feedback then I am not doing my best.
Thank you very much

Welcome to our world.

Congrats on your decision to try again.

Do the best you can.

Team Sergeant

booker · 04-12-2006, 09:30

Just do everything better than you did the first time and you should be good to go.

NousDefionsDoc · 04-12-2006, 10:08

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Originally Posted by booker

Just do everything better than you did the first time and you should be good to go.

Have you been selected?

MtnGoat · 04-12-2006, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Congrats on your decision to try again.

Do the best you can.

Agree!! Congrats on your decision to try again.

Train on your short falls. You know what you didn't do well on. Fix them!

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Originally Posted by booker

Just do everything better than you did the first time and you should be good to go.

Read the Threads in this Forum: Special Forces Assessment & Selection, a lot of info on the posts.

Use the Search button too.

You can always get the BOOK

- WM

BamBam · 04-12-2006, 10:31

I like that never give up attitude......you know what went right and wrong.
Good luck...................Do your Best

Warrior-Mentor · 04-12-2006, 14:24

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Originally Posted by MtnGoat

You can always get the BOOK

- WM

Thanks for the plug MG.

**The Reaper** · 04-12-2006, 09:55

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Originally Posted by odu

I hope that I am not going outside of my lane with this question. I went to selection this past year and was a non-select. I know that I stunk up the STAR but we were told that land navigation was not the only reason we were not chosen. I am preparing to return to Camp Mackall this June for another try and I am attempting to cure all of my deficiencies. We were not counseled on what the reason(s) we were not selected. I am wondering if there is a way to find out what reason beside land nav that I was not selected.

I fully understand the statement "do your best" however I feel without at least attempting to get some feedback then I am not doing my best.

Thank you very much

odu:

We look for the "whole man". The 1SG at SFAS should have explained this to you in detail, to include his "three-legged stool" analogy.

Normal reasons for non-selection in addition to the STAR failure would include poor physical performance, low-intelligence scores, poor aptitude for learning, psych problems, bad spot reports, providing false information, criminal records, inability to obtain a clearance, drug or alcohol problems, poor performance as a team member, and bad peer reports.

In four years of following SFAS classes, I have never seen anyone stay till the end and not be out-counseled.

Were you boarded?

It occurs to me that you probably know deep down inside why you were not selected. You were not selected because you failed to meet a standard. If you can not figure out what it was, that reflects a lack of self-awareness, something that we also look for. If you decide to come back, prepare yourself better in all areas, get your mind right, be a good team member, and do your best.

Good luck.

TR

EPC · 04-12-2006, 22:11

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

Normal reasons for non-selection in addition to the STAR failure would include poor physical performance, low-intelligence scores, poor aptitude for learning, psych problems, bad spot reports, providing false information, criminal records, inability to obtain a clearance, drug or alcohol problems, poor performance as a team member, and bad peer reports.

TR,

I understand you need SECRET clearance prior to attending SOPC/SFAS. But, do they not tell you whether or not your clearance was given prior to getting to the class? Or do they allow you to attend the course before your clearance is determined? The reason I ask is because I have some hindrances that might keep me from obtaining clearance. Either way, I'm going to try. Thanks in advance.

**Team Sergeant** · 04-13-2006, 07:48

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Originally Posted by Divinely Guided

TR,

I understand you need SECRET clearance prior to attending SOPC/SFAS. But, do they not tell you whether or not your clearance was given prior to getting to the class? Or do they allow you to attend the course before your clearance is determined? The reason I ask is because I have some hindrances that might keep me from obtaining clearance. Either way, I'm going to try. Thanks in advance.

When you filled out your questionnaire for a clearance did you write down all those “hindrances”?

Granting a secret clearance is fast and easy for responsible individuals devoid of “hindrances”. Individuals with certain types of “hindrances” will never be allowed to join Special Forces or the US military for that matter. Because every individual is different and some actually think they will try to fool the system and not write down all their accumulated “hindrances” when we do find them, and we will, we will “flag” and pull that individual from any training he or she is currently attending and send them packing.

Don’t expect a quick adjudication of your clearance if you possess certain types of “hindrances”.

TS

M4Guru · 04-13-2006, 08:06

TS is on the money...I used to process EPSQ packets at my old BN. You'd be surprised what some guys had on their record and still were granted a clearance...PROVIDED THEY WERE HONEST. On the other hand, we had a lot denied because some joe left some seemingly minute infraction off and lied about it.

Best thing you can do in your favor is to be up front in the EPSQ packet and any interview that may result.

EPC · 04-13-2006, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

When you filled out your questionnaire for a clearance did you write down all those “hindrances”?

Granting a secret clearance is fast and easy for responsible individuals devoid of “hindrances”. Individuals with certain types of “hindrances” will never be allowed to join Special Forces or the US military for that matter. Because every individual is different and some actually think they will try to fool the system and not write down all their accumulated “hindrances” when we do find them, and we will, we will “flag” and pull that individual from any training he or she is currently attending and send them packing.

Don’t expect a quick adjudication of your clearance if you possess certain types of “hindrances”.

TS

TS-No, I haven't filled out a questionnaire yet. I will be honest when I do so though.

TR-I've searched and have found some great information, but wanted clarification. I read in "Get Selected" that some recruits are sent to the Board for failing to meet the pre-requisites, i.e. ineligible to receive security clearance.

Thank you for your replies.

**The Reaper** · 04-13-2006, 21:41

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Originally Posted by Divinely Guided

TR-I've searched and have found some great information, but wanted clarification. I read in "Get Selected" that some recruits are sent to the Board for failing to meet the pre-requisites, i.e. ineligible to receive security clearance.

Thank you for your replies.

If you can't get a clearance, we are not going to put you into training. That would be a total waste of resources.

If there is any doubt, you may be asked to explain your "hindrances" to the board's satisfaction.

Since people who sit on the board are ones you will see again, and are important to your future, lying to them would be a bad idea.

Some people with clearance issues are told that they will not be returning for the SFQC till their clearance has been adjudicated. That can take a while.

You are a long way from the board at the end of SFAS. Odds are very good that even if you sign an 18X contract, you will not make it that far.

My advice to you is to focus on the things you have control of, and the 25 meter target, getting into shape.

TR

VAFF · 04-15-2006, 12:53

Men,

Not that this subject needs to be beat up anymore than it has been, but...Come on, you know exactly why you did not make it...I know why I did not make it and it does not need a board to fill me in on the reasons. I, went into it believing it was going to be a physical feat that I would easily push through...After a few days , I realized quick that is was more. I learned from that and will be back in september.

Also, you remember how the cadre were during selection...? What makes you think that the men on this board would be any different. "Do your Best".

-VAFF

**The Reaper** · 04-15-2006, 12:58

VAFF:

Welcome aboard.

Do some reading here, especially the stickies and intros. Fill in your profile and introduce yourself in the proper place before posting again.

Good luck when you return.

TR