NYC Ground Zero Mosque

[olhamada]

Have you guys seen this? I'm freaking infuriated that they would even think about allowing something like this! How wrong and insensitive. How do we put a stop to this?

AND THE OPENING DATE IS 9/11/11!!!! What an insult!!! 10 years to the day.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...WS0lXuAnQau5uL

I am really fed up with the liberal bleeding hearts in the country.

[T-Rock]

A Mosque at Ground Zero Equals Victory

May 19, 2010 - by Wafa Sultan

A new mosque is now being planned in New York near "Ground Zero," two blocks from where the World Trade Center used to be. This mosque is headed by an Imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, founder of the Cordoba Initiative, who proposes to convert the now-shuttered Burlington Coat Factory on Park Place into an Islamic Cultural Center which would contain a mosque.

It is crucial to study the supremacist ideology of Islam and to recognize, for example, that the building of a mosque especially at Ground Zero is viewed by Muslims as a decisive victory over the infidels in Islam's march to establish its ultimate goal: the submission of all others to Islam and to Sharia Law.

On a daily bases, in so many parts of the world, deadly attacks are perpetrated by Jihadists either against non Muslims or, frequently, against Muslims -- especially Muslim women. The terror type of Jihad, however, is only one way for Islamists to accomplish their mission of making the "Kafir," or infidels, submit to Sharia Law. Another method is, as the author Robert Spencer calls it, an insidious, creeping "Stealth Jihad."

While Mr. Shahzad is the impatient Jihadist who attempts to destroy the West through terror, there is also the second type of Jihadist, who is much more patient, and who employs the "Stealth Jihad." The Stealth Jihadis are subtle in their approach and take their time to accomplish the same objective of submitting us all under Islam and under Sharia Law.

Recently, two separate episodes highlight this gloomy reality. The first is the attempted bombing of Times Square by the Pakistani terrorist, Faisal Shahzad, called by Leon de Winter "The Foreclosure Terrorist" from an anchor at CNN who said, "It can be confirmed that his house has been foreclosed in recent years. I mean, one would have to imagine, that brought a lot of pressure and a lot of heartache on that family."

To someone who grew up in a Muslim country, as I did, this can only be seen as ludicrous. Perhaps there should be a formal Fatwa, or religious edict called the "Foreclosure Jihad." No doubt, those at Al Azhar University in Cairo - the epicenter of Islamic jurisprudence -- might like this idea: It is an effective way to conceal the true narrative of Islam.

According to the Center of the study of Political Islam (www.politicalislam.com), over the last 1400 years, Muslims have murdered roughly 270 million kafirs [non-Muslims]; 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists and around 120 million African slaves. Until today, as far as we know, there has not been any official acknowledgement or official apology by any official Islamic organization for these atrocities. This calamity is not a modern day phenomenon. It has been taking place since Islam's inception 1400 years ago.

This is what Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, a few years ago, said at the Chautauqua Institution in New York:

"Seven centuries before the Declaration of Independence was written Shari'a Law was intended to protect life, religion, property, family and mental well being. This is why I assert that America is in fact a Shari'a compliant state".

The Imam avoids mentioning that Islamic Sharia allows, among other ruthless practices, to beat women to discipline them, and that Sharia also still sanctions slavery. Is that not a bit different from American set of laws? Does the Imam recommend that the US implement the previous two practices into our system to be a more "Sharia compliant state"?

The Imam also said, in Sydney, Australia, that "The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end."

The declaration of war on the West -- as Bin Laden declared initially -- was not, bear in mind, based on this "harm" allegedly done to Muslins, but on Hadith, [reports on the sayings and activities of Mohammaed and his companiois] of Mohammed in Al-Buchary:

"I have been ordered to fight and kill all mankind until they say no God except Allah and Mohammed is the prophet of Allah."

This Hadith declares war on non-Muslims -- to subjugate them under Islam irrespective of their deeds. If terrorism is caused by the "harm by the West to Muslims," why then do Sunni Muslims burn Shi'ite mosques in countries like Pakistan and Iraq? Why is it that Islamists have been throwing acid on the faces of women in countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Algeria and Iran? Are these brutalities also committed because the West harms Muslims?

Further, we all know that while Muslims can build mosques and practice their religion freely in the West, non-Muslims are forbidden to do the same in Islamic countries. How harmful to them is that?

This Imam also stated:

"The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians. But it was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."

As for women, the Imam says that, with regard to the role of women, and the education of women in most Muslim countries, that women are very active and involved, and that misogyny exists primarily in the tribal countries of the Arabian Peninsula.

This is a shameful and deceitful portrayal. The status of women in the Muslim countries is a misfortune that the world has overlooked for centuries, and for which it is now paying a high price for having ignored.

"A God Who Hates," the book I wrote last year, is dedicated to the memory of my niece Mayyada, who cut her life short by committing suicide to escape the hellish marriage imposed upon her under Islamic Sharia Law. There are currently millions of women who experience similar unimaginable suffering, all sanctioned under the tacit approval of Sharia. Their accounts are untold stories of unthinkable oppression and misery.

Now we have a Muslim Imam, who aspires to implement Sharia in the West, and who is a slick and eloquent speaker disguised as a "moderate" Muslim. He uses Taqiyya, the Islamic concept which calls for Muslims to lie to the enemy and deceive him based on Quran 3:28, to fool non-Muslims and those who are gullible or ignorant, and who play right into his hands.

While Feisal Rauf opposes Faisal Shahzas's terror strategy, both share the same objective of subjugating the West under Islam and under Sharia Law - both Faisals are two sides of the same coin.

As for the majority of our U.S. population, they are basically being kept in the dark as words like "Islamic terror" and "Jihad" are not anymore considered by the establishment to be acceptable.To inform the public of the perils of the Jihadists' doctrine is politically incorrect.

So here is their formula: Muslims try to kill or subvert non-Muslims through treason, while the infidels avoid naming the doctrine and the theology from which Muslims' worldview emanates. By these means, non-Muslims permit radical Muslims to carry their agenda into the advanced stage of coercing us to capitulate.

The so called "progressives" and proponents of interfaith dialogue in the media, in academia, and in our government cannot accept that in Islam's supremacist ideology, there is no moral relativism. They cannot accept that when it comes to Islam, multiculturalism is a one-way street that serves Islam -- and the interests of Islam alone. There is no inclusion of other "ways," or cultures supported in the Quran. Even to allow or accommodate other viewpoints can cost a Muslim his or her life.

Under freedom of expression, Muslims, like any other group, have the right to criticize others. But where is the line drawn between freedom of expression and an act of sedition? Where is the acknowledgment that Islam teaches that Sharia Law supersedes all other laws - including the U.S. Constitution?

Here in the U.S., we are not learning a single lesson from the Islamization of Europe: as of now, we are moving in the same direction by the same "Stealth" tactics being used all over Europe -- infiltration into the highest levels of government; indoctrination of the public through misinformation; double standards provided by media outlets; intimidation, and threats, both veiled and public.

Thomas Mann, a German writer once said: "Tolerance is a crime when applied to evil." At the time, Mr. Mann was referring to the rise of Nazism in Germany. His statement is a wake-up call to us today, it speaks the truth. We must have the courage and commitment to act against these encroachments if freedom is to survive.

Dr. Wafa Sultan is a Syrian-certified psychiatrist and author of the book, "A God Who Hates."

http://www.hudsonny.org/2010/05/mosq...ls-victory.php

[Penn]

Now that's the issue is in the NY Post, the game changes; even the current administration in DC can read that wall…it won't step into this coming Shit Storm. Trust me, (my family runs the 98 IBEW in Philly) I cannot image the unions caving in on this. (they did clean up the “pile”) It’s a point of the cultural pride within the ranks as to who was there, when, and for how long. And, let’s not forget, absolutely nothing moves in NYC without union approval.

In one scenario, I can see the project costing billions and imploding. In another, I can see endless delays. I can see shit loads of rag heads reinforcing concrete; and I see lots of construction accidents, defamations of books, someone will no doubt use the Koran in a port potty, it will become a classic video and the rags heads will bring out the artillery, and then, it’s all over.

Some things will be interesting to watch: The NY times position and how long it takes them to weigh in on the issue.

Bloomberg….??????

Koch, Done and with an FU

I think the liberal members of community board 1 of Tribeca, are about to become persona no grata

BMA.

[incarcerated]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...oz-TwXphISI0zg

France to build new mega-mosque

By Carole Landry (AFP) – 3 hours ago
MARSEILLE, France — French Muslims celebrate a milestone on Thursday when building work begins on a mega-mosque in Marseille, the nation's biggest, and a potent symbol of Islam's place in modern France.

A day after the French government approved a bill banning the full Islamic veil, Muslim leaders will join politicians for a ceremony to lay the cornerstone at a dusty construction site in northern Marseille.

France's second city is home to 250,000 Muslims, many of whom flock to makeshift prayer houses in basements, rented rooms and dingy garages to worship.

With a minaret soaring 25 metres (82 feet) high, the Grand Mosque will hold up to 7,000 people in its prayer room and the complex will also boast a Koranic school, library, restaurant and tea room when it opens in 2012....

[T-Rock]

Robert Spencer and Debra Burlingame, sister of one of the 9/11 pilots, discuss the proposed Ground Zero monster mosque and expose Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf:

> http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=XdqGkUqG2G

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Robert Spencer and Debra Burlingame, sister of one of the 9/11 pilots, discuss the proposed Ground Zero monster mosque and expose Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf:

> http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=XdqGkUqG2G

WTF,If this thing makes it,it would be a disgrace to America and to the people who died there............

Big Teddy

[Tristanada]

This is unbelievable. I'm a huge advocate of letting people practice any religion that they want to but to put a religious gathering place so close to a sacred spot is no short of a disgrace to the freedom that gives us that opportunity. The people approving this should be ashamed to call themselves american. I normally only read these threads but this one grinds my gears.

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Richard

[Richard]

Here is one to think about....the noise pollution. How long with the "call to prayer" be played over loudspeakers and how often until the local populace gets fed up with the disruption to their lives.

There are Mosques around here and one does not hear any calls to prayer from them on any day of the week. Other than the normal traffic sounds, it's only the fire station testing its disaster warning siren daily at 1200 or the local Catholic church playing its bells to announce certain calls to worship several times a day - and then there are the periodic teens in their cars with their stereo systems cranked up until a police officer hears them and either warns or cites them for violating the noise ordnances.

...but to put a religious gathering place so close to a sacred spot is no short of a disgrace to the freedom that gives us that opportunity...

I was always under the impression the area around the WTC was a financial district which - to me - sounds like a poor place for ANY religion to want to place a structure...except maybe for money worshippers.

Would cost us tax payers a lot of $$ to remove all those religious gathering places which are so close to sacred spots in this country - especially all those which actually sit on such sites.

And I hope it doesn't!!! I hope with every board that gets nailed up, it gets burned down! With any concrete that gets poured, it gets vandalized.

Now that's the ol' Christian and American thing to do - nothing like a return to those goode olde dayes of yore. I'm guessing there's a conflict with some between the 1st Commandment and the 1st Amendment.

Once such legislation/regulations pass, what would be next? What if, a few years from now, a majority of Americans start calling for laws that forbid statutes and monuments that pay tribute to the CSA and those who fought for it?

Never happen - those were just gawd fearing Christians following holy scripture, not some Muslim horde seeking to enslave all who won't submit to their scribbled version of the truth.

Personally, I think the whole idea of pushing for a mosque on lower Manhattan is a BIG mistake and a HUGE PR disaster for the American Muslim communtiy - and it also could cost us dearly if we don't handle it well.

And so it goes...

Richard

[Maytime]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

What would such a bill say? Do you have some sort of zoning regulation or building code in mind?

I really have no idea, I just don't know how these things work. I don't think outright asking, "Are you for or against a mosque being built..." is constitutional, but hey, a federal judge just found California's gay marriage ban unconstitutional, and that was voted on by the people.

[GratefulCitizen]

I have a compromise for them.

There should be a building constructed with multiple stories, owned by the city.
The mosque can occupy the first level.

The first level ceiling/second level floor should be made of sturdy glass which can be walked upon.
A memorial area for 9/11 can be on this second level.

Visitors can see the mosque first hand (beneath their feet) and learn tolerance for islam.

The area to the southeast of the building should be cleared and grass should be planted.
It can be a "pet area" so peoples dogs won't leave piles on the street.

There should also be a food area which serves plenty of pork.

Tolerance is a two-way street.

[akv]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

There should also be a food area which serves plenty of pork.

Tolerance is a two-way street.

I've read of half frozen pigs with IBS spotted running around that part of the city. They might come wholesale in this recession..