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Pagans get worship space at AF Academy
Not to pick on my AF Brothers / Sisters, but isn’t this a bit much 
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Pagans get worship space at Academy
Air Force Times
Sunday Jan 31, 2010 8:39:58 EST
The Air Force Academy will add a worship area for followers of “earth-centered religion” — pagans — with a dedication ceremony scheduled for March 10.
A stone circle located on a hill overlooking the Cadet Chapel and visitor center will join Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist sacred spaces at the academy in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Tech. Sgt. Brandon Longcrier, a pagan who worked with the chapel to create the circle, said he did not encounter resistance to the idea.
“There really haven’t been any obstacles for the new circle,” he said in an Air Force news release. “The chaplain’s office has been 100 -percent supportive.”
Longcrier said earth-centered spirituality includes traditions such as Wicca and Druidism. Wicca is the largest religious group in the Air Force after Christianity.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...agans_012910w/
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02-01-2010, 05:07
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02-01-2010, 06:10
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http://www.gurus.org/dougdeb/Essays/...l/contend4.htm
Earth-centered religions:
These include the aboriginal religions of the American Indians and Africans, reconstructed versions of pre-Christian European religions like Neo-Paganism and Wicca, and the beliefs of an occasional Christian or Jew like the heretical Catholic theologian Matthew Fox.
The religions in this category can be thought of as the spiritual wing of the environmental movement.
They tend to be loosely organized and hard to pin down, but for the most part they look on the Earth and its biosphere as a living being to be worshipped and celebrated.
They believe that mankind's proper mission is to learn to live in harmony with the Earth and its life forms, rather than to dominate them.
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Thank Al Gore.. 
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02-01-2010, 07:26
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No. If they can do it for one, then others should have the same right. Besides most Wiccan chicks are Hot, you might be able to see them dancing in the moonlight naked!!! 
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02-01-2010, 07:37
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Besides most Wiccan chicks are Hot, you might be able to see them dancing in the moonlight naked!!! |
I'm converting!
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02-01-2010, 07:44
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I'd attend one service before making a rash decision... 
They could all be fat, ya know...
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02-01-2010, 09:24
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I'd attend one service before making a rash decision...
They could all be fat, ya know... |
It's the AF Academy......Not Basic for Army Chicks!!!!........
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
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02-01-2010, 22:25
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I'd attend one service before making a rash decision...
They could all be fat, ya know... |
Or your typical freak from Boulder, CO.
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02-01-2010, 08:07
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I don't see any issues with this...unless it becomes the mission of yet another group of 'true believers' to seek to deny the benign spiritual beliefs of others.
I've spent time living amongst what we officially referred to as ' animists' - ' indigenous' cultures of some of the nicest, gentlest, finest people I've ever known - who believed everything had a spirit - much in alignment with the concept of the 'Laws of Nature and of Nature's God' referred to by our Founding Fathers in the Declaration of Independence.
Being of Scot's ancestry, I am quite familiar with the concepts of paganism and the history of its near demise under the onslaught of Christianity - and of the 20th Century's rise of the neo-paganist Wicca. You should visit the Rosslyn Chapel (made famous in The DaVinci Code) to see the dual influence of the two as they crossed paths in Scotland in the 12th-15th Centuries.
Personally, I tend to worship the ground upon which my wife walks - does that make me a danger to society, too?
And so it goes...
Richard's $.02
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02-01-2010, 08:14
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Personally, I tend to worship the ground upon which my wife walks - does that make me a danger to society, too?
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It's a safe way to live...
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02-02-2010, 07:01
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Sir just curious, so in The DaVinci Code, when it says the following:
Nowadays, the term pagan had become almost synonymous with devil worship---a gross misconception. The word's roots actually reached back to the Latin paganus, meaning country-dwellers. "Pagans" were literally unindoctrinated country-folk who clung to the old, rural religions of Nature worship. In fact, so strong was the Church's fear of those who lived in the rural villes that the once innocuous word for "villager"---villain---came to mean a wicked soul.
...this is true?
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RE: Pagan - late 14c., from L.L. paganus "pagan," in classical L. "villager, rustic, civilian," from pagus "rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten," from PIE base *pag- "to fix" (see pact). Religious sense is often said to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c.202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (e.g. milites "soldier of Christ," etc.). Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908.
RE: Villain - c.1300, "base or low-born rustic," from Anglo-Fr. and O.Fr. villain, from M.L. villanus "farmhand," from L. villa "country house" (see villa).
"The most important phases of the sense development of this word may be summed up as follows: 'inhabitant of a farm; peasant; churl, boor; clown; miser; knave, scoundrel.' Today both Fr. vilain and Eng. villain are used only in a pejorative sense." [Klein]
Meaning "character in a novel, play, etc. whose evil motives or actions help drive the plot" is from 1822.
http://www.etymonline.com/
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02-02-2010, 07:17
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Originally Posted by Richard
RE: Pagan - late 14c., from L.L. paganus "pagan," in classical L. "villager, rustic, civilian," from pagus "rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten," from PIE base *pag- "to fix" (see pact). Religious sense is often said to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c.202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (e.g. milites "soldier of Christ," etc.). Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908.
RE: Villain - c.1300, "base or low-born rustic," from Anglo-Fr. and O.Fr. villain, from M.L. villanus "farmhand," from L. villa "country house" (see villa).
"The most important phases of the sense development of this word may be summed up as follows: 'inhabitant of a farm; peasant; churl, boor; clown; miser; knave, scoundrel.' Today both Fr. vilain and Eng. villain are used only in a pejorative sense." [Klein]
Meaning "character in a novel, play, etc. whose evil motives or actions help drive the plot" is from 1822.
http://www.etymonline.com/
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Reminds me of the fond memories I have of one of my favorite segments on NPR many years ago. On Words With John Ciardi
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02-01-2010, 13:06
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Not to pick on my AF Brothers / Sisters, but isn’t this a bit much
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Pagans get worship space at Academy
Air Force Times
Sunday Jan 31, 2010 8:39:58 EST
The Air Force Academy will add a worship area for followers of “earth-centered religion” — pagans — with a dedication ceremony scheduled for March 10.
A stone circle located on a hill overlooking the Cadet Chapel and visitor center will join Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist sacred spaces at the academy in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Tech. Sgt. Brandon Longcrier, a pagan who worked with the chapel to create the circle, said he did not encounter resistance to the idea.
“There really haven’t been any obstacles for the new circle,” he said in an Air Force news release. “The chaplain’s office has been 100 -percent supportive.”
Longcrier said earth-centered spirituality includes traditions such as Wicca and Druidism. Wicca is the largest religious group in the Air Force after Christianity.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...agans_012910w/ |
You dissing my religion?
I KILL YOU!
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02-01-2010, 13:11
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You dissing my religion?
I KILL YOU!
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02-01-2010, 13:29
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Whatever.
If you're a Wiccan and have a broom do you automatically get into flight school?
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