10-25-2005, 10:31
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Let me know how that runs with a 2 pound trigger. 
I hope that you never have to shoot anyone with it.
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I've had the para set up like that for three years, I only use it for IDPA matches. I've put a fair amount of rounds through it, it runs fine. What's the weight on your trigger pull?
I am aware of the potential legal problems involved with shooting someone with a modified gun.
btw I like the Dlask trigger on your Para.
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10-25-2005, 10:48
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Do the IDPA targets shoot back at you?
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10-25-2005, 11:03
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I've had the para set up like that for three years, I only use it for IDPA matches. I've put a fair amount of rounds through it, it runs fine. What's the weight on your trigger pull?
I am aware of the potential legal problems involved with shooting someone with a modified gun.
btw I like the Dlask trigger on your Para.
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I have 3.5-4 lbs. on all of my 1911 triggers. A clean break is more important to me than the weight.
I like the Dlask as well.
You may not want to start jumping into these with both feet with guys who have carried in harm's way since well before you were born.
TR
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10-25-2005, 13:03
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I have 3.5-4 lbs. on all of my 1911 triggers. A clean break is more important to me than the weight.
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I agree, smooth, clean and crisp, would probably be the words I would also use. IMHO too light of a trigger (hair triggar) is dangerous and uncertain. I think as it has been mentioned many times in the past on this board it is Training, Training, and more training along with experience. The quality of the shooter is more imporant than the fire arm or how it is set up.
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10-25-2005, 17:27
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No time to read the entire thread but....
Sig/Sauer P-220, .45 caliber
Also agree with TS's point of view. Why pour money into an antique only to make it as good as something that shoots just as well off the shelf?
I also hear great things about the USP.
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I guess that there are two types of people. Those that like 1911's and those that don't (I will call you the blasphemers!)
some call it an antique design, I call it classic.
A customized 1911 is a piece of working art. just check out some of the smiths work on WWW.LOUDERTHANWORDS.US especially chuck rogers, ct brian, and stan chen. expensive? VERY. Long wait? Richard Heinie has an 8 year waiting list. Worth it? in the eye of the shooter.
Can your off the shelf guns shoot 1 1/4 inches at 50yards in a rest? I don't know i've never seen that.
for what it's worth I also have 2 Sig p220's, 2 glocks, a walther, XD9, and my two pony's. Next purchase will be an Ed Brown Executive Elite 1911. 
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10-25-2005, 19:55
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You may not want to start jumping into these with both feet with guys who have carried in harm's way since well before you were born.
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True, hope I wasn't being to forward. I have a lot of respect for what you guys do.
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10-25-2005, 21:14
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This past weekend I attended SouthNarc's IEK/ECQC (I will write up a review later this week when I have more time). But after this course I'm considering going back to my Glock.
Not because I like my Glock 21 over my Kimber but because of magazine capacity. It became abundantly clear to me how valuable a lot of bullets in your primary magazine is. It is very difficult to reload when you are tied up with two individuals who are trying to grab your gun.
...I would go with a double stack 1911 or a USP but we are only authorized standard 1911's and Glocks.
TS,
Thanks to your teachings during the Sims training of this class my rounds where true and hit their intended targets. I had to hit a few guys in the femoral and pelvic region. 
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10-26-2005, 02:10
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SIG P226. 
A G19 would be my second favorite. Alas, I own neither, and have only shot my buddies guns.
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11-04-2005, 15:05
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Colt 1911A1 .45acp.
They all fall to hardball. 
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11-05-2005, 16:35
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Favorite .45's
Les Baer Custom II modified by Novak
Les Baer SRP
Kimber Warrior
Kimber Classic modified by Novak
Glock 21
HK USP 45
Favorite 9mm
SIG 226
SIG 226SR
SIG 226R
Glock 34
Glock 19
Glock 17
BHP when I want the slide to cut my hands
M9 when the students are using it
I try to spread the love between a wide array of handguns, it has made me a better and more versatile shooter.
Also if you can shoot the same gun the students do it eliminates the "better gun" factor from your instruction.
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11-05-2005, 17:57
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Originally Posted by SERPENT5XX
Favorite .45's
Les Baer Custom II modified by Novak
Les Baer SRP
Kimber Warrior
Kimber Classic modified by Novak
Glock 21
HK USP 45
Favorite 9mm
SIG 226
SIG 226SR
SIG 226R
Glock 34
Glock 19
Glock 17
BHP when I want the slide to cut my hands
M9 when the students are using it
I try to spread the love between a wide array of handguns, it has made me a better and more versatile shooter.
Also if you can shoot the same gun the students do it eliminates the "better gun" factor from your instruction.
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I take it that you know Wayne? He does some fine BHP work, IIRC. Probably take those rough edges off for you.
Wrenching on a Les Baer, isn't that a crime?
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11-05-2005, 18:37
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Also if you can shoot the same gun the students do it eliminates the "better gun" factor from your instruction.
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I always shoot what the "Students" are shooting. IMO there are better guns, with the glock running dead last.
I have and still can take just about any handgun and place 5 rounds through the same hole at 21 feet, any handgun, except the glock. It might be the grip angle, what is that like 17 degrees, as compared to 11 degrees for 99.9 percent of the rest of the worlds handguns? Although I've never clocked it, I'm betting the slide on the glock is moving a few hundred feet faster than the rest of the weapons currently on the street. This would account for a less than accurate weapon off the shelf.
Its a worthless piece to me, and I've never had anything bad to say about most handguns until I fired a few glocks. But I guess if one has a police force to train you might want a pistol that is number one in "little training" and is the lowest cost, mass produced semi-auto on the market.
Before anyone gets their feelings hurt know this, I do not work for any gun dealer, none. These are my opinions based on decades of firing weapons and hundreds of thousands of rounds down range.....
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11-05-2005, 20:08
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Well, some people just can't shoot a Glock - no shame in that TS. Come on down, I'll give ya a few pointers....
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11-05-2005, 21:45
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Well, some people just can't shoot a Glock - no shame in that TS. Come on down, I'll give ya a few pointers.... |
I'm with TS on this one - the Glock is the most (ubiquitous) disposable handgun made. If police administrators/politicians had been a little (make that a lot) less CHEAP and willing to get their guys quality guns and decent training back when most departments were transitioning from revolvers to pistols we wouldn't be forever cursed with the "block". I still remember the 1st generation magazines that wouldn't drop free (please wait a minute while I fumble my mag change so I can get this POS reloaded and get back in the fight) the plastic sights, and highly trained (well - sort of, please refer to previous comment about police administrators and expensive training) LEOs shooting themselves in the buttocks while holstering their weapons. If I'm stuck with a 9mm, make mine the BHP. My .02 - Peregrino
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11-05-2005, 21:47
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Change scares some people...
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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