07-05-2006, 23:01
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This may sound a little picky, but did anyone find that if you had no clue who the author was, you could still easily figure it out to be a woman (nothing bad in that, just some of the wording now and then).
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Here's what my husband said one time about books on special operations - "the problem with books like that is they are written by people who have never actually done the job."
And yes, Linda Robinson is a woman. She's blonde and I didn't like her very much which may also sound a little picky.
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07-05-2006, 23:25
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I have picked it up and started it several times, only to lose interest and put it back down.
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07-06-2006, 06:40
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NDD,
You gonna elaborate or keep us all in suspense?
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07-06-2006, 10:46
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Suspense
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
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07-06-2006, 14:16
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Budda-Boom.
Will you be here all week?
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07-06-2006, 18:44
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Actually, I thought it was a pretty good read.
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07-21-2006, 15:07
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Lots of stuff I hadn't read about before, especially the early infils and the Scud Hunting operation.
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I agree, I learned a lot about the missions early in OIF, as well as the Balkans. I finally finished it, after picking it up and putting it down for other books several times. I enjoyed it, I just had a problem keeping track of the timelines in the narrative. I am also in suspense awaiting NDD's comments.
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11-19-2006, 02:35
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I actually finished reading Masters of Chaos a half year back..a decent read.
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11-19-2006, 08:56
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Old post, but I bought the book last week. I am half way through it and it is a good read so far. I like how the author breaks down the chapters by conflict. I felt more of the book should have dedicated to A-stan however.
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11-19-2006, 20:25
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Met Linda Robinson at a conference a couple weeks back. She said she meant it as a good news story about SF and I believe her.
Unfortunately, didn't know I was going to meet her, so it's still in my "TO READ" pile on the night stand.
Maybe I'll finish it before runing into her again...
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11-21-2006, 18:33
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* From an earlier Quote *
We used to keep a copy of that in the team room for comic relief........whenever we needed a laugh someone would open it and read a random paragraph from some random page, we would all laugh for about 5 mins and then go back to work!!!!!!
It helps when you actually know the guys its written about. Most of that book was somewhat embellished!!!!!
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01-16-2007, 20:40
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Read the first three chapters last night and it is already pissing me off.
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Okay this is an old thread, I know! But I just read this book and thought it was okay, not great or life changing, just okay.
Here is my take...OPSEC violations out the wazoo, PERSEC issues all over the place and some good story telling to be sure. I am sure that these types of books must go thru some sort of PAO review, right?
But on the bright side if some kid reads this and aspires to become a QP then great.
One of my “bosses” is a figure in this book so that is kinda funny…I am going back looking for quotes to harass him later.
Now to the bigger question...NDD you never did state why this was pissing you off!
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01-16-2007, 20:43
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Okay this is an old thread, I know! But I just read this book and thought it was okay, not great or life changing, just okay.
Here is my take...OPSEC violations out the wazoo, PERSEC issues all over the place and some good story telling to be sure. I am sure that these types of books must go thru some sort of PAO review, right?
But on the bright side if some kid reads this and aspires to become a QP then great.
One of my “bosses” is a figure in this book so that is kinda funny…I am going back looking for quotes to harass him later.
Now to the bigger question...NDD you never did state why this was pissing you off!
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You just did. And very eloquently I might add.
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02-01-2012, 13:16
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I finished the book a few weeks ago, enjoyed it very much. I'm not sure if it provides too much information. However, I thought chapter 16 was of interest. The author discusses Major General Lambert's recipe for fighting and winning asymmetric warfare in the future and the perspective role of sf. According to General Lambert and I'm quoting the author: "The Special Forceswould have permanent assignment to watch the hundred-plus terrorist groups and insurgencies around the world; to learn everthing about them - the interactions among them, the newly emerging groups and the constantly evolving asymmetric tactics. When a threat to U.S. interest appeared, it would be the job of the Special Forces to raise the flag and propose a couse of action to the national leadership....". "Special operations forces - the umbrella term for all the services'commando forces - would play two types of roles in such a broadened prevention-based strategy, roles which can be characterized as direct and indirect approaches." "It is not difficult to discern a natural division of labor. " In essence, SF would have a indirect role and be the "permanent warchers of insurgents, terrorists, and asymmetric tactics and the conductor of unconventional warfare." On page 363 she states that direct action missions would be undertaken by Delta, Seals and Rangers.
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02-01-2012, 18:48
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Most the information on the future of SF appears to come from the author's interview with General Lambert which took place in 2004. So they were looking at be post 2004. In the information above, I paraphrased the author. Her entire quote is as follows and I believe the overall concept can be attributed to General Lamber, and it appears obvious that the author agrees with this premise:
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It is not difficult to discern a natural division of labor. The selection and training of some special operations forces are focused solely on raiding or direct-action types of missions. These SOF include Navy SEALs, Rangers and Delta Force (formerly Operational Detachment-Delta or SFOD-D), supported by special aviators. The U.S. Army Special Forces, while they are trained and able to conduct raids, are focused on a much broader array of tasks in the unconventional warfare spectrum. They have language skills and cultural training. If the need to conduct raids arises in the course of their mission they are perfectly able to carry them out. But if a mission, such as the capture of a high-value target, requires the most sophisticated raiding skills, then those who train exclusively for those evenualities are the logical force of choice.
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From an outsider's view, when looking at recent history it appears that this is where SOF has moved.
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