10-18-2004, 00:25
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Masters of Chaos
Masters of Chaos: The Secret History of the Special Forces by Linda Robinson
I just picked this book up last night at Barnes and Knobles. Anyone seen or heard of it?
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10-18-2004, 14:00
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I was just given a copy today at work by a colleague as a going away present. I'm a little disturbed by the rogue's gallery of leftists who have given this book praise, but I've read the introduction and so far so good.
We'll see though, any book on the military that gets high praise from the left's intelligentsia is suspect. Hopefully, this is a false alarm and the book turns out pretty well.
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10-19-2004, 08:24
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I picked the book up as well the other day but haven't been able to do much reading yet. The schedule has been a bit hectic here.
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10-19-2004, 13:28
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I heard it was good by an SF Officer who is in graduate school here. I'll probably give it a read when I have time.
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11-17-2004, 13:56
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Masters of Chaos
" Masters of Chaos"
Just picked up a copy of “Masters of Chaos”.
I have not read it yet but while paging through I saw some interesting stories. In fact one was about my ODA’s mission! I found out the only guy on the ODA that talked to the author was the TM LDR, so of course he is the main character. In fact he is the only character and it reads like he did the whole mission himself! 
The ODA got a good laugh out of that one!
Not bad though as far as accuracy of the first part of the mission. It was described in general but certain key facts we left out to preserve TTP’s and such. I will say I am very uncomfortable with all the names and pictures used. I may be paranoid (I do not think they are out to get me I KNOW they are out to get me!) but I think providing all this info so easily is going to come back to haunt us some day. Homeland security spends incredible resources guarding bridges, tunnels and buildings. Imagine the effect if a couple of military families get murdered by islamists. Imagine a video of it on the internet. The average military guy, SF or other wise is going to be spending his time thinking about the safety of his family not the task at hand. I do not think we could possibly safeguard the dependents against this threat short of bringing them all on post. Imagine when your wife is told her and the kids will now be residing in a nice comfy GP-medium in the parade field for the next several years! 
The cost to the islamists would be small but the effect would be HUGE.
Like I said, I may be paranoid but I think whoever approved this book was only thinking of the short term effects like recruiting and money but NOT the long term as far as GWOT and the next how ever many years we fight these boy-buggering idiots.
I thought part of being a “Quiet Professional” was that you did your job with the knowledge that there would be no recognition of you doing it. (Unless you screwed up of course!  )
Just my $.02.
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11-17-2004, 23:50
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I hope they do not clue in, by reading this thread or otherwise. I am not a target, but I am trying to provide my family with basic training anyway. Hopefully Catwoman will accept lessons from TS . . .
I have been dumbfounded by the seeming inability of the Salafi Jihadists to follow up on 9-11. Either we are good or lucky or just premature.
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12-16-2004, 19:45
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Originally Posted by SERPENT5XX
" Masters of Chaos"
I may be paranoid (I do not think they are out to get me I KNOW they are out to get me!) but I think providing all this info so easily is going to come back to haunt us some day. Homeland security spends incredible resources guarding bridges, tunnels and buildings. Imagine the effect if a couple of military families get murdered by islamists. Imagine a video of it on the internet. The average military guy, SF or other wise is going to be spending his time thinking about the safety of his family not the task at hand. I do not think we could possibly safeguard the dependents against this threat short of bringing them all on post. Imagine when your wife is told her and the kids will now be residing in a nice comfy GP-medium in the parade field for the next several years! |
At my current place of employment one of the courses I teach is Surveillance Detection (SD). I am currently single with no children.
Some of the folks I train are going to areas with their family members. As an experiment I worked with my God Daughter who is six years old to see how easy it would be to teach SD TTPs to people with no training. You would be surprised just how well she picked up on the basics.
One of the things I encourage my students to do is to think of their entire family as part of one big Surveillance Detection Team and to train them accordingly. If I can get my six year old God Daughter to detect our role players we use for our exercises than anyone can train their families to do it.
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12-22-2004, 17:37
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Pictures?
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Originally Posted by SERPENT5XX
" Masters of Chaos"
Just picked up a copy of “Masters of Chaos”.
I have not read it yet but while paging through I saw some interesting stories. In fact one was about my ODA’s mission! I found out the only guy on the ODA that talked to the author was the TM LDR, so of course he is the main character. In fact he is the only character and it reads like he did the whole mission himself!
The ODA got a good laugh out of that one!
Not bad though as far as accuracy of the first part of the mission. It was described in general but certain key facts we left out to preserve TTP’s and such. I will say I am very uncomfortable with all the names and pictures used. I may be paranoid (I do not think they are out to get me I KNOW they are out to get me!) but I think providing all this info so easily is going to come back to haunt us some day. Homeland security spends incredible resources guarding bridges, tunnels and buildings. Imagine the effect if a couple of military families get murdered by islamists. Imagine a video of it on the internet. The average military guy, SF or other wise is going to be spending his time thinking about the safety of his family not the task at hand. I do not think we could possibly safeguard the dependents against this threat short of bringing them all on post. Imagine when your wife is told her and the kids will now be residing in a nice comfy GP-medium in the parade field for the next several years!
The cost to the islamists would be small but the effect would be HUGE.
Like I said, I may be paranoid but I think whoever approved this book was only thinking of the short term effects like recruiting and money but NOT the long term as far as GWOT and the next how ever many years we fight these boy-buggering idiots.
I thought part of being a “Quiet Professional” was that you did your job with the knowledge that there would be no recognition of you doing it. (Unless you screwed up of course! )
Just my $.02.
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Yes, there are a number of photos inside the book. The paper cover has (4) SF soldiers two of which facial features can sort of be seen, but have been shown on TV news in the past. I, can't see them being ID'ed. (Between the beards, sunglasses and shadows one would have a hard time ID'ing them. Some of the picture inside of the book of course could be ID'ed.)
They must have all signed a release for their pictures to be shown in the book. So, I guess they must know the risks involved if any.
I just got the book in the mail yesterday and have not finished it, but so far it's a good read! 
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07-06-2005, 19:45
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Masters of Chaos
A very good read. Very informative on the ways and bonds of the Special Forces to those who aren't. 
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07-06-2005, 19:46
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Currently beating my face...
Attention to detail. Enough said. 
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07-07-2005, 18:37
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I thought it was a good read but I had a tough time keeping track of all the different characters.
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10-26-2005, 14:21
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Opinions about Masters of Chaos
Hi,
this is my first post (besides my intro in the relevant thread), so I hope I won't commit to many faux-pas.
I just finished Masters of Chaos, by Linda Robinson. It was great read, and I was wondering what the QP around here thought about it.
I thought it was very insightful, but only from an outsider's perspective, so I'm looking for feedback from the other side of the fence to compare a bit.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Cheers, and be safe
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10-26-2005, 14:29
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seelow:
Please use the search button to see whether a question already has been answered before asking it. Thanks.
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10-26-2005, 14:31
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
seelow:
Please use the search button to see whether a question already has been answered before asking it. Thanks.
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Dang...so much for the faux-pas... 
Sorry about that, should have searched thoroughly first.
Thank you for moving it to the appropriate thread.
Cheers, and be safe.
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05-27-2006, 14:29
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Read the first three chapters last night and it is already pissing me off.
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