11-23-2004, 22:00
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language training for 1st group
http://www.groups.sfahq.com/1st/area...onsibility.htm
When assigned to the 1st group, does language training such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean come standard/mandatory or does it depend on DLAB score?
Also, does ethnicity play any role in group assignment?
Thanks
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11-23-2004, 22:17
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Originally Posted by frostfire
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Language training is initially provided in Phase V of the SFQC. Difficulty of languages offered may depend on your DLAB score and affect your Group assignment.
Groups have their own language sustainment programs.
SF soldiers receive language pay, which is higher for more difficult languages and higher proficiency.
Ethnicity would normally only play a part if a language is involved.
Good luck.
TR
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05-30-2006, 23:02
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Language Scores
Took a small trip out to 1st Group recently (16 - 20 May)...was able to talk to the language manager have some good news and some bad news.
Good news is that the DLPT scores for CM are good...some guys are missing a 2 by one (1) question...in a CAT IV language...that is a tonal language with thousands of characters to represent words...not exactly the katakana / hiragana / hangul model. Congrats! 
Now for the bad news...the Chain of Command is right there to observe the fine young gentlemen studying CM  ...so if you are one of them, or will be one of them...remember that you are being assessed even there...
COL T. seems to take an interest...
On another note...the Language Lab does have SH 21-76 translated into Bahasa Indonesia, Tagalog, Kurdish, Iraqi Arabic, Dari, MSA, and working on a copy in Thai...use it...I find it a great reference even now to be able to learn the "unimportant words and subjects" that I was not taught like Raid, Ambush, Reconnaissance, etc...
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02-17-2007, 16:51
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I don't know about how language training and sustainment works in 1st Group, but there's been some changes to language training at SWC.
The current Q Course has language training throughout the course following selection. This new training is a bit more difficult to learn the harder languages because you can go for months without reinforcing what you've learned. It also has an accelerated learning timeline which can be a bit overwhelming. However, majority of the language block is still after your MOS phase, prior to Sage.
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02-17-2007, 16:58
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Originally Posted by sleepyhead4
I don't know about how language training and sustainment works in 1st Group, but there's been some changes to language training at SWC.
The current Q Course has language training throughout the course following selection. This new training is a bit more difficult to learn the harder languages because you can go for months without reinforcing what you've learned. It also has an accelerated learning timeline which can be a bit overwhelming. However, majority of the language block is still after your MOS phase, prior to Sage.
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Well, Sleepy, thanks for the annual revival of this necropost.
We are well aware of the changes to the language training program since the question was answered initially in 2004.
A little reading of recent posts here will reveal that we have covered that adequately.
Thank you.
TR
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02-18-2007, 09:17
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No Changes to Language requirements at 1st
Gents,
If you are in the course and taking a language, it does not matter how the Q is structured for Language training. Col W. has made it very clear that you will at a minimum maintain a 1-1 in your target language. If you are taking a language that is spoken in Fayetteville say like Korean...then you better go out and find a new friend in that target language. We all know that the current program in place is ideal for everyday use in the target country, not so ideal for the DLPT...I recommend self-study because it's part of your job along with all the other mission critical skills that are not taught in the current day Q.
It can be done with some initative and motivation. I am confident that if you apply yourself...you can attain it. Tudoring is still provided after school is it not? I recommend it. 
Sleepy since you are a native speaker in Korean why don't you test out and skip language school???
DW
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