Go Back   Professional Soldiers ® > At Ease > General Discussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-17-2009, 21:39   #1
AngelsSix
Area Commander
 
AngelsSix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: VA
Posts: 1,149
Dow drops another 297 points

Anyone ready to buy stock yet??
__________________
The question is never simply IF someone is lying, it's WHY. - Lie To Me

We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men - Boondock Saints

Iraq was never lost and Afghanistan was never quite the easy good war. Those in the media too often pile on and follow the polls rather than offer independent analysis. Campaign rhetoric and politics are one thing - the responsibility of governance is quite another.
- Victor Davis Hanson
AngelsSix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 22:21   #2
Defender968
SF Candidate
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SC
Posts: 811
I was considering selling all my stock and buying acreage in the mountains for when it all burns down...
Defender968 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 22:41   #3
nmap
Area Commander
 
nmap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 2,760
We're at a critical support level. If it holds, we've formed a double bottom, and we have a chance for a nice rally.

If it breaks, then Dow Theory indicates continuation of a bear market - and Dow 5500 or less is possible.

We may drift upwards a few days, but any hard drop from current levels is likely to have nasty consequences.

That mountain acreage might be a nice place to stay for awhile...especially since rumor control hints at up to 3 million more job losses next quarter...LINK

Pleasant dreams....
__________________
Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero

Acronym Key:

MOO: My Opinion Only
YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary
ETF: Exchange Traded Fund


Oil Chart

30 year Treasury Bond
nmap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 23:07   #4
PSM
Area Commander
 
PSM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cochise Co., AZ
Posts: 6,208
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelsSix View Post
Anyone ready to buy stock yet??
I've been buying all along. It's a fire sale. This is when wealth is made.

But that's just me.

Pat
__________________
"Hector Lives!"

"The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass

"The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -- Dennis Prager

"The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it." --H.L. Mencken
PSM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 00:16   #5
6.8SPC_DUMP
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelsSix View Post
Anyone ready to buy stock yet??
The only stock picks that have my interest are emerging technologies and companies whose price is worth next to nothing on bankruptcy fears that probably won't materialize.

I've had my clients on a portfolio aimed at growth during a depression since late in Sept.

I haven't found any emerging tech I like.

There were companies in the American auto and financial industries that I felt were oversold. Did well with Ford and missed out on the financials. Last friday I was torn over SIRI because Mel Karmazin said that the reports they could be filing for bankruptcy today was false. I passed and it was up 100% at one point this morning...

I'm in precious metals, agricultural commodities, treasuries and foreign currency now.

Last edited by 6.8SPC_DUMP; 02-18-2009 at 14:24.
6.8SPC_DUMP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 07:04   #6
nmap
Area Commander
 
nmap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 2,760
6.8SPC_DUMP, personally, I would wait to see how the current fight between bulls and bears turns out...however...what do you think of the biotech ETF, symbol PBE?

Technicals look so-so, but weakening, with MACD and RSI going the wrong direction, but the MA's still OK, IMO.

Chart Link
__________________
Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero

Acronym Key:

MOO: My Opinion Only
YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary
ETF: Exchange Traded Fund


Oil Chart

30 year Treasury Bond
nmap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 12:44   #7
6.8SPC_DUMP
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by nmap View Post
6.8SPC_DUMP, personally, I would wait to see how the current fight between bulls and bears turns out...however...what do you think of the biotech ETF, symbol PBE?

Technicals look so-so, but weakening, with MACD and RSI going the wrong direction, but the MA's still OK, IMO.

Chart Link
I don't like ETF's. They are great for a DIY portfolio if the sector is strong and the market is solid. I think there will be tremendous opportunities in the future from this industry, but they won't be realized from an ETF. This one has vastly under performed QQQ/Spiders recently. No easy way to pick the winners. I just try to stay on top of what is being developed, sort out the 20 different expert opinions and see what makes sense i.e. has a future market segment and buy after it is developed but before it is introduced to the market.

I'm also worried about the valuation of the dollar. If the dollar falls 20% in relation to another currency but your stock is up 20% you are flush either way. I try to keep things as simple and safe as possible now.
6.8SPC_DUMP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 12:59   #8
Sigaba
Area Commander
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Southern California
Posts: 4,482
While I watch the conversation between nmap and 6.8SPC go over my head, I am wondering if anyone else has noticed the recent trend the last couple of weeks in which a member of the current administration makes public comments and then the Dow starts to drop? Yes, correlation is not causation but maybe the president could work some of his mojo on the skeptics rather than just preaching to his base.
Sigaba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 17:49   #9
Gypsy
Area Commander
 
Gypsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Midwest
Posts: 7,135
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigaba View Post
, I am wondering if anyone else has noticed the recent trend the last couple of weeks in which a member of the current administration makes public comments and then the Dow starts to drop?
I had a similar thought, the Dow dropped after the President's announcement on his new housing plan.
__________________
My Heroes wear camouflage.
Gypsy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 18:09   #10
Surf n Turf
Guerrilla Chief
 
Surf n Turf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In the Woods
Posts: 882
Down DOW

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigaba View Post
While I watch the conversation between nmap and 6.8SPC go over my head, I am wondering if anyone else has noticed the recent trend the last couple of weeks in which a member of the current administration makes public comments and then the Dow starts to drop? Yes, correlation is not causation but maybe the president could work some of his mojo on the skeptics rather than just preaching to his base.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
I had a similar thought, the Dow dropped after the President's announcement on his new housing plan.
Gypsy / Sigaba,
I am just guessing, but wonder if the “content” of the “public comments” is the cause of a down DOW.
My understanding of the market is that “perception is reality”, and (to use the new housing plan as an example) it was perceived to be a TERRIBLE (technical term) drag on the economy, ill-conceived, and with the drop yesterday, got a vote of no confidence.
As nmap has speculated elsewhere, we could be headed much lower if the investor class continues to sell out of the market.
SnT
__________________
Die Gedanken sind frei

Democrats would burn down this country as long as they get to rule over the ashes

The FBI’s credibility was murdered by a sniper on Ruby Ridge; its corpse was burned to ashes outside Waco; soiled in a Delaware PC repair shop;. and buried in the basement of Mar-a-Lago..
Surf n Turf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 18:30   #11
Gypsy
Area Commander
 
Gypsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Midwest
Posts: 7,135
Quote:
Originally Posted by Surf n Turf View Post
Gypsy / Sigaba,
I am just guessing, but wonder if the “content” of the “public comments” is the cause of a down DOW.
SnT
Yes...better clarification of my comment, SnT. One can only hope it holds steady.
__________________
My Heroes wear camouflage.
Gypsy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2009, 16:31   #12
nmap
Area Commander
 
nmap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 2,760
The Dow has broken support - according to Dow theory, we go down from here. In my personal opinion, it will be substantial, in both magnitude and duration.

Conserve cash...

I've attached a PDF of the latest Dow Theory newsletter. Those who are interested might find it to be interesting.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf russ.pdf (68.5 KB, 24 views)
__________________
Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero

Acronym Key:

MOO: My Opinion Only
YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary
ETF: Exchange Traded Fund


Oil Chart

30 year Treasury Bond
nmap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2009, 10:00   #13
Defender968
SF Candidate
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SC
Posts: 811
DOW falls below 7000

Here we go, hold on to your hats, and your wallets.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/mar...futures-lower/

Quote:
Blizzard of Bad News Sends Dow Below 7K

Matt Egan
FOXBusiness
Monday, March 02, 2009

The only thing falling harder on Wall Street than snow Monday morning were the battered markets as the Dow sank below the 7000 level for the first time since 1997 in response to new bleak economic data and the government's latest rescue of AIG.

Today’s Markets

As of 10:23 a.m. EDT, the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 155.71 points, or 2.21%, to 6908.25, the S&P 500 lost 16.97 points, or 2.31%, to 718.12 and the Nasdaq Composite sank 22.69 points, or 1.65%, to 1355.15. The consumer-friendly FOX 50 dropped 11.30 points, or 2.04%, to 541.54.

While the $30 billion in new aid for AIG (AIG: 0.4843, 0.0544, 12.65%) was at the forefront Monday morning, the markets were also slammed by a gloomy manufacturing report, new data showing the U.S. savings rate hit 14-year highs in January and HSBC’s (HBC: 27.88, -6.94, -19.93%) plans to raise $18 billion.

The combination of gloomy headlines and negative market sentiment sent the Dow below the psychologically-important 7000 mark for the first time since Oct. 1997. The losses come after the Dow ended at its lowest level since May 1997 on Friday, capping off its worst February since 1933. Slammed by the global recession and the worst credit crisis since the Great Depression, the benchmark index is mired in its longest monthly losing streak since September 2002.

“I think we’re going to see some type of dead-cat bounce this week, “NYSE trader Jason Weisberg of Seaport Securities told FOX Business, predicting a “pretty substantial pop.” However, with January’s jobs report due on Friday, he said the gains will likely be fleeting.

Nearly all 30 components of the Dow were in the red Monday morning, led by financial companies Citigroup (C: 1.449, 0.039, 2.77%), Bank of America (BAC: 3.3827, -0.5973, -15.01%) and General Electric (GE: 7.7899, -0.7501, -8.78%). Industrial companies like Caterpillar (CAT: 22.93, -1.68, -6.83%) and General Motors (GM: 2.102, -0.178, -7.81%) also fell sharply. On the other hand, Intel (INTC: 12.7601, 0.0201, 0.16%) and Merck (MRK: 24.14, -0.06, -0.25%) were
flirting with positive territory.
Defender968 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2009, 10:08   #14
Pete
Quiet Professional
 
Pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Fayetteville
Posts: 13,080
The DOW is down?

The DOW is down today?

President Bush must have gone out to eat after church down there in Texas.
Pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2009, 14:31   #15
BMT (RIP)
Quiet Professional
 
BMT (RIP)'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Red State
Posts: 3,774
6,000 anyone??

BMT
__________________
Don't mess with old farts...age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill! Bullshit and brilliance only come with age and experience.
BMT (RIP) is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 20:17.



Copyright 2004-2026 by Professional Soldiers ®
Site Designed, Maintained, & Hosted by Hilliker Technologies