Rise of the Warrior Cop

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

Now that New York has the SAFE Act to disarm its citizens farther, it is time to create a new police unit with 'machine guns'....LINK




I wonder if that extra training means they won't hit bystanders .....

Machineguns in the hands of cops...... great choice.

If you ask anyone in U.S. Special Operations they will tell you machineguns are a "non-discriminatory" weapon and only used when innocent lives are NOT at stake.

Sorry NYPD but I cannot think of one situation where your use of a machinegun, on American soil, would be "justified".

Neither can I...

[fng13]

This guy might want to review his PD's shots fired to hit ratio.

This article is a little dated, 2008, but seemed relevant to this conversation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/ny...pagewanted=all

New York City police officers fire their weapons far less often than they did a decade ago, a statistic that has dropped along with the crime rate. But when they do fire, even at an armed suspect, there is often no one returning fire at the officers. Officers hit their targets roughly 34 percent of the time

When they fire at dogs, roughly 55 percent of shots hit home. Most of their targets are pit bulls, with a smattering of Rottweilers and German shepherds.

Officers’ guns go off unintentionally or by accident for a variety of reasons: wrestling with suspects, cleaning the weapons, leaning on holsters — even once, in 1996, when a gun was put in an oven for safekeeping.

While the drop in police shootings was already clear, the details were among the myriad facts included in 11 years’ worth of annual New York Police Department firearms-discharge reports that were, without fanfare, handed over to the City Council this week and earlier to the New York Civil Liberties Union.

If their hit ratios are that low while often not receiving incoming fire, I don't imagine that adding the fun switch is going to make people safer.

[The Reaper]

So what is done about the two in three shots fired by officers in the most densely populated metropolitan area in the country that do NOT hit their intended target?

Is that acceptable?

Are officers not accountable for every bullet they fire, just like a citizen would be?

How will full-auto fire affect that already piss poor hit ratio?

Note, the most competent shooting units in the U.S Army almost never use automatic weapons fire. Especially when hits count, and collateral damage is unacceptable, which I would assume is also the NYPD's desired result.

How often do NYPD officers currently familiarization fire and qualify with their assigned weapons?

Are ranges and ammunition regularly available to them?

The NYPD has more officers assigned than a U.S. Army Division.

Is this a wise policy?

Finally, how many full-auto weapons lost per year will be an acceptable number?

TR

[cbtengr]

" The unit of 350 cops will be specially trained in high-tech weaponry to deal with protests, “lone wolf” attacks and evolving threats posed by terrorists, CBS2’s Marcia Kramer reported.

They will be specially trained.

TR your comments are dead on.

[MR2]

I think it is the subjects that are being trained... slowly AND surely.

[Penn]

As this story has unfolded, it has been interesting to note the shot placement.

It was reported that one officer was shot in the shoulder, the other officer was grazed on the cheek. imo, the shooter wanted to kill these two officer, they were misplaced head shots.

[Five-O]

I have no particular insight into the above and latest shooting in Ferguson. The NEWS reports shots came from approximately 120-125 yards away and were of a pistol caliber. Witness state they heard 4 to 5 shots? That is an almost unbelievable hit ratio from that distance with a pistol. Its better to be lucky than good or the shooter had some skills....time will tell....possibly.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Five-O

... That is an almost unbelievable hit ratio from that distance with a pistol. ....

Hit ratio? You're assuming the shooter aimed at those officers.

It all depends on the target density. A good size grouping of officers and the shooter, if he/she used a pistol, just points, shoots and prays to the earth mother.

And now they are trying to shift the focus to white militias.

[Five-O]

Originally Posted by Pete

Hit ratio? You're assuming the shooter aimed at those officers.

It all depends on the target density. A good size grouping of officers and the shooter, if he/she used a pistol, just points, shoots and prays to the earth mother.

And now they are trying to shift the focus to white militias.

Yes I agree....i suppose that's what I was trying to say about the "luck" of the hits. Did this guy just spray and pray into a dense crowd or did he take aim and get those hits? Might not matter too much but just curious.

Ohamsandwich, has announced "reductions" ... Also looks like he is using racial motives and the race card as to why.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...ent-to-police/


Sorry title should say "reductions" and not "No more."

[Streck-Fu]

Former officer indicted for lying on warrant to get raid authorized that resulted in toddler burned......LINK

A former Habersham County, Georgia, deputy sheriff's false statements to a judge last year set in motion a chain of events that led to the critical injury of a toddler, according to a federal indictment filed Wednesday in district court.

In May 2014, Nikki Autry and a team of special agents and informants from the local Narcotics Criminal Investigation and Suppression Team were "attempting undercover narcotics buys." Autry presented an affidavit to a magistrate judge falsely swearing that a "true and reliable informant" had bought a small amount of methamphetamine at a residence.


Based on the erroneous information she presented, which also included claims of "heavy traffic in and out of the residence," the judge issued Autry a "no knock" search warrant.

When a SWAT team executing that warrant found the front door blocked, one of the officers tossed a flash-bang grenade inside the residence. Once inside the home, the SWAT team realized a portable playpen had been blocking the door, and the flash-bang grenade had landed where a 19-month-old was sleeping, eventually exploding on the child's pillow.

The toddler spent weeks in a burn unit in a medically induced coma.

[Hand]

The SWAT team, made up of six or seven officers from the sheriff's department and the Cornelia Police Department, entered the Cornelia residence of Wanis Thonetheva on the morning of May 28.

A confidential informant hours earlier had purchased methamphetamine at the house, the sheriff said.

Because Thonetheva had a previous weapons charge, officers were issued a "no-knock warrant" for the residence, Terrell said.

When the SWAT team hit the home's front door with a battering ram, it resisted as if something was up against it, the sheriff said, so one of the officers threw the flash-bang grenade inside the residence.

Once inside the house, the SWAT team realized it was a portable playpen blocking the door, and the flash-bang grenade had landed inside where a 19-month-old was sleeping, the sheriff said.

That story is very inflamatory IMHO. While the facts of the case include the team throwing a flash-bang that burned the infant, that unfortunate and hopefully unintended event occurred during the attempted arrest of a drug dealer with a previous weapons charge.

I had to dig quite a bit to find out anything about this besides the infant being wounded.

Authorities in Habersham County arrested five people last week at the home of a suspected drug dealer — among them was the uncle of “Baby Bou Bou,” the toddler injured last May during the execution of a controversial no-knock warrant.

According to a news release issued by the Appalachian Regional Drug Enforcement Office, members of that team, the Habersham County Sheriff’s Office and the Georgia Department of Corrections were acting on resident complaints about “illegal narcotic activity” when they visited the Demorest home of 41-year-old Bruce Reaves. Once inside, authorities seized half an ounce of methamphetamine and additional quantities of marijuana, oxycodone and dilaudid, the news release said.

A total of five people were arrested, including Reaves and 31-year-old Wanis Thonetheva.

Source

What is the real story here? The horrible evil po-lice and their counter civil-rights hi-speed gear and tactics?

Is it the collateral damage caused by misapplied tactics and misused weaponry?

Should the police department have waited until the subjects had left the house and risked a car chase or shoot out in a less contained environment?

Or maybe, just like the character Ivelda Drumgo in Hannibal (who walked around with a baby and an uzi in a sling on her chest) , some vile filth drug dealers put a baby in front of the door to keep the five-oh out.

[sinjefe]

^^^^^ Did you miss "deputy sheriff's false statements to a judge last year set in motion a chain of events that led to the critical injury of a toddler"?

[The Reaper]

I wasn't there, but it would seem to me to be a lot easier to pick her up when she was leaving the house. Block the car and roll her up.

TR