Rise of the Warrior Cop

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

Crime rates: LINK

They are part Dekalb County which also has a SWAT team...

While part of Atlanta in Dekalb County, Doraville is a suburb.

Relatively low crime rate, small town, backup SWAT not far away...these folks are loaded for bear.

Hotlanta itself can be dicey in parts but Doraville looks to be a nice little suburb - sort of surprising to see a tracked vehicle....annual maintenance costs must be pretty high.

ETA: after further review - looks like a fairly high number of thefts, burglaries and assaults - probably a byproduct of location. However, the town compares well to neighboring towns. I wonder how the tracked vehicle plays into reducing violent crime? Interesting trend.

Originally Posted by FlagDayNCO

Over in PA, we have numerous Regioinal Police agencies, configured as a cost savings. There are also Regional SWAT type units. One that comes to mind is The Central Montgomery County Special Weapons and Tactics (CMSWAT).

http://www.westnorritontwp.org/index.aspx?NID=168

I worked with a guy from this unit, when it was named differently, and I knew the funding came from various sources. There were also private/ civilian donations, due to the Corporate client base in the region. The nuclear plant had some donations, as well.

From an LEO stand point, the chain of command went through the SWAT organization, when called into formation/ duty.

The only thing I can think of as a "corporation" basis, is along the lines of Volunterr Fire Companies. I know many of the VFCs do fund raising, but a large portion comes form the municipalities they service. This opens up the entire Municipal/ County/ State/ Federal funding and grant game.

I always love to see the VFC Chief driving his vehicle hundreds of miles on personal shopping trips with his wife. Yeah, so he can be ready to respond. Sure.

Massachusettes is a Commonwealth, like Pennsylvania, so maybe there is different laws/ rulings as to the formation of the LE Agencies.

The National Tactical Officers Association has a web site and they are VERY active.

http://ntoa.org/site/

Something similair in NY and NJ is the Port Authority of NY/NJ. They are a Corporation, though they have a huge police presence. Their LEOs are certified in NY and NJ. Trying to get information from them is nearly impossible.

The Port Authority of NY & NJ is a government (bi-state) agency, not a corporation.

[Pete]

Wondering if they used the 113 to arrest the pellet gun vandal?

[Streck-Fu]

Semi-local to me.

A few years ago in Evansville, IN, a teenage boy used a nearby unsecured wifi to access a website and make threats against the police and police chief in particular. The extent of the investigation was to identify the house the network was in. SWAT was used to execute a search warrant. Then they learn that the threats came from somewhere else.....The kid was located and arrested then plead guilty.

The city did pay for damages but the homeowner sued.

fast forward to now. It turns out that the police had a tag along news crew for this 'high threat warrant serving so SWAT has to be used but a TV crew is totally kosher raid' ....

The lawyers for the city have released this video as an example of how professional their officers are and the use of force is completely proportional.

LINK

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

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What are your thoughts?

My thoughts?

They didn't need to take that Armored Car down the street to take out that film crew's lights and camera - but they used it.

Still looked like a bunch of pussies getting out of it. And looked like a bunch of chickens walking around.

Armored Vehicles gives the Po-Po thoughts of power - power they shouldn't have.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

You have to be careful with that argument though, because that is the same logic the gun control folk use with regards to people owning AR-15s and other so-called "assault weapons," i.e. that it makes them think they are bad-asses, have power, etc...

Yeah, to protect ourselves from the MRAP rolling down the street.

[Five-O]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

Not sure if this should go here or in the MRAP thread but it's not an MRAP so here it is.....

Doraville, GA SWAT practices an officer down rescue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kajhu7qgojU#t=43

It is proudly posted on the agency website. LINK

Their photo gallery has lots of action and M113 photos: LINK

This is one of the "gheyest" videos I have ever seen. In addition to the boring subject matter and the juvenile music the video is attached to...the skull imagery and "Punisher" imagery is completely inappropriate for law enforcement.

Having said that there is a place in law enforcement for armored vehicles. I think the MRAP is serious overkill and a tracked vehicle is just impractcal and sends the wrong message. I do however think a "Brinks" type armored car that offers ballistic protection is reasonable for larger departments to have access to.

Originally Posted by Five-O

This is one of the "gheyest" videos I have ever seen. In addition to the boring subject matter and the juvenile music the video is attached to...the skull imagery and "Punisher" imagery is completely inappropriate for law enforcement.

Having said that there is a place in law enforcement for armored vehicles. I think the MRAP is serious overkill and a tracked vehicle is just impractcal and sends the wrong message. I do however think a "Brinks" type armored car that offers ballistic protection is reasonable for larger departments to have access to.

I agree with the vehicle.

I just wrote another comment on us having an MRAP, complements from the government. Like I stated before that I didn't think we had a landmine issue in the US just yet, they were all upset about a bill being introduced about de-militarizing the country's Law Enforcement agencies. One guy I use to work with is upset about this because they want to take away his helmet and weapon. LE does not need select fire weapons, period.

IMHO, SWAT officers should have the best personal equipment they can get. Weapons are another story. I do not believe in any "light" "medium", or "heavy" machine guns should be made available to law enforcement. They are not needed. I remember the SLA shootout in the early 70's. At one point, and this is well known, SWAT on scene requested for the use of M67 fragmentation grenades to be used on the house. Permission, I believe was granted and that officers were heading to the nearest base to collect them. The incident supposedly ended before the trip was made. If they were able to obtain these grenades back then, just think what they would be able to have now. MRAP vehicles I feel, have crossed the line. Strykers will be next.

[Streck-Fu]

If they were able to obtain these grenades back then, just think what they would be able to have now. MRAP vehicles I feel, have crossed the line. Strykers will be next.

Military drones are next. LINK

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

Military drones are next. LINK

Well Streck, they are already in use around here.

Also, this burns my butter. LEO's who have gone way out of bounds on this one.


http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/08/12...kly+Newsletter

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by MAB32

Also, this burns my butter. LEO's who have gone way out of bounds on this one.


http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/08/12...kly+Newsletter

He was too honest for his own good, why though did they have to destroy his safes? Why not get a warrant and force him to turn over the combinations or get a locksmith involved?

[BryanK]

So when are SWAT unit's going to start receiving those old M60's? IMO, since a healthy number of Vet's are ETS'ing and subsequently joining their local PD's for a job, they carry that mentality into the ranks. They transmit that mentality to their subordinates/colleagues as well, resulting in a mixing bowl of what I call the "Constitutional Combat" mentality. A mix of Mil and LE training, logistics/supply, mission planning, and execution of those missions. It may not seem like a big deal to those officers, but when citizens start seeing MRAP's rolling down the road with a cannon of some sort poking out of the turret, it stands to reason why they get a little uneasy. I know I felt a little uneasy the first time I saw the Polizei in action.

I understand that they have a need to protect themselves, but lately whenever I turn on the news and see police responding to a stand-off, riot, etc., it looks like a Special-Ranger-Forces-Recon-SEAL-Delta operator reunion. For instance, the headline photo in the article below:

http://www.newsweek.com/how-americas...4537?piano_t=1

[Streck-Fu]

Not a warrior. Doing it wrong: LINK

[Paslode]

I feel so much safer know that Homeland Security is raiding panty stores.....

Goring and Himmler would be proud.

Peregrine Honig says she just wanted to help celebrate the hometown team when she designed Lucky Royals boyshorts.

The panties, with “Take the Crown” and “KC” across the bottom, were set to be sold in Honig’s Birdies Panties shop Tuesday. But Homeland Security agents visited the Crossroads store and confiscated the few dozen pairs of underwear, printed in Kansas City by Lindquist Press.

“They came in and there were two guys” Honig said. “I asked one of them what size he needed and he showed me a badge and took me outside. They told me they were from Homeland Security and we were violating copyright laws.”

She thought that since the underwear featured her hand-drawn design that she was safe. But the officers explained that by connecting the “K” and the “C,” she infringed on major league baseball copyright. (The officials involved could not be immediately reached for comment.)

They placed the underwear in an official Homeland Security bag and had Honig sign a statement saying she wouldn’t use the logo.

“We just thought it was something funny we could do,” Honig says of the panties. “But it was so scary.”

Danielle Meister, Honig’s shop partner, says it was like something out of the movies, with the badges and all. But on the bright side, the officers were nice. She says you could tell “they felt like they were kicking a puppy.”

We might not be able to wear Lucky Royals boyshorts from Birdies, but you can still buy a pair of crown-inspired pasties if you’re feisty. birdiespanties.com

http://www.kansas.com/news/state/article3222737.html