06-05-2006, 10:27
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Consigliere
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OK, those grips are just goofy.
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06-05-2006, 10:40
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#287
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[That's the thing, I think I'm still in practice mode, working on the basics and shooting for fun. I know the pros shoot way more rounds. That's why I look forward to taking a course, or making my way out to the Southwest to cajole the TS into providing some expert instruction, so I can train.
That red and Asian hair, fearsome!
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06-05-2006, 10:55
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#288
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Originally Posted by vsvo
TS,
I know this was not specifically directed at me, but my rationale for choosing it falls right in the heart of your criticism. As an inexperienced civilian who only shoots a couple hundred rounds a week, I believed it would be easier for me to learn with a constant trigger pull. I hope to attend a defensive shooting course, and thought I would have enough on my plate, without worrying about decockers, safeties, and DA/SA transitions. Maybe I should lay off on the industry Kool-Aid.
My favorite pistol to shoot, and the one that fits my hand best, is the 1911, but again, I don’t think I could train enough to carry it in condition one.
Having said that, I take your point loud and clear, lack of training is never a valid excuse.
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Vsvo,
I have the ability to carry my weapons in “condition one” and I choose not to do so for a number of reasons. But the number one reason is that carrying in “condition one” is about as smart as driving with your car hood open. People that say carrying in “Condition One” is dangerous are right. People that think grip safeties are safe are wrong. (logic test, how many new pistols are made with grip safeties?)
The first time you pull the trigger and hear nothing because a piece of debris has logged itself between the hammer and the firing pin will be the last time you carry in “condition one”.
I’m sure we will have those that will swear that has never happened to them, but many of those are the same ones that would never be caught rolling on the ground with a weapon.
Weapons have evolved since the 1911. We can now purchase weapons that will never stovepipe, never get debris caught between the hammer and firing pin, function from a hammer down and safe position, function from a “condition one” position, can be very safely “de-cocked” are both single and double action, allow the owner to choose left or right safety, allows the owner to choose left or right slide stop, etc etc etc
Why anyone would choose a single action weapon today is beyond me.
Now I do know why most LEO’s are issued the worst semi-auto on the market today, money, time and training.
I have never in all my years seen anything as misguided, ill–advised and just plain stupid as issuing a weapon to a cop and teaching him to “keep his finger OUT of the trigger well” and this is exactly what some of the major police departments are now teaching their officers that are armed with Glocks. This is being taught, I’m sure, as a preventative measure so cops don’t “accidentally” shoot someone.
Here’s a little fact for the Glock carrying LEO’s that are using this “preventative measure”; Facing a gun wielding bad-guy from say 7-21 feet, LEO with weapon POINTED at badguy, and badguy holding his weapon pointed down at the ground. If your finger is along the slide, pointed at the badguy, instead of on the trigger, badguy has a VERY GOOD CHANCE of winning the engagement. Do I need to write that twice?
There is not an LEO out there that could beat me given the same set of circumstances.
You so called weapons instructors that are teaching this “preventative measure” pray you never meet me in court trying to defend your weapons instruction. You are placing LEO lives at risk, unnecessarily.
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06-05-2006, 12:05
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Being a little old fashion, I was taught the only safety on a firearm is the shooter, all others are not to be trusted.
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06-05-2006, 13:45
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Why anyone would choose a single action weapon today is beyond me.
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All,
Newbie here.
Mace
SMU's are not discussed on this forum. Read the rules before you post again or this will be your last post
You also need to post an introduction in the approrpriate thread before you post again. NDD
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06-05-2006, 14:11
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Originally Posted by MaceWindu
All,
Mace
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Please read all the stickies and introduce yourself in the proper place before posting again.
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06-05-2006, 16:20
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
Unlike them, I have no pics because it is being built.
MSTN-built new upper receiver for my Colt H-Bar Target Rifle (CA pre-ban). Using LMT upper (1x7 barrel, M4 contour) with Larue 7.0 forend, LMT bolt carrier group, PRI Gas Buster charging handle, Troy rear sight, Larue EOTech mount, KAC sling mount and Dieter vert grip.
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Parts just came in and payment has been made, so hopefully I will be getting it soon. Will post pics promptly.
Also ordered this for it:
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06-05-2006, 18:13
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Hi!
My name is MAB32 and I am "Photographically Challenged". Am looking for like-minded individuals who think simple is better. I enjoy the M1 Carbine, walking barefoot on the hot asphalt, painting someone else's toenails, and Iron Butterfly. Seeking like minded individuals.
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06-12-2006, 14:47
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[Voice of Dr. Henry Frankenstein]
IT HAS ARRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVED!! !!!!!!
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06-12-2006, 15:48
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Soo...where are the pictures then?
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06-12-2006, 15:53
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
[Voice of Dr. Henry Frankenstein]
IT HAS ARRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVED!! !!!!!!

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That was fast. I still have another six weeks to wait for my Noveske Leonidas...
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06-12-2006, 15:59
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Originally Posted by gtcrispy
Soo...where are the pictures then?
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I'll take pictures after I get home and put it together. Have not received the light yet, but I'll install the new upper receiver, grip, sling mount and optic.
What's the over-under on how long it will take me? LOL
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06-12-2006, 22:15
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
I'll take pictures after I get home and put it together. Have not received the light yet, but I'll install the new upper receiver, grip, sling mount and optic.
What's the over-under on how long it will take me? LOL 
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Hmmmm.
1.5hrs to 2 hrs depending on what exactly you got.
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06-12-2006, 22:24
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Never mind, I see it
Send it to me, I can put it together in about 30 minutes. In another 30, I'll have it zeroed for you.
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He knows only The Cause.
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06-12-2006, 23:56
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Here you go. No light yet, will add when it arrives.
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