Range Lessons Learned Last Week

Basenshukai · 01-14-2005, 21:47

1. Level 3 bullet resistant glass does a great job absorbing most 9mm and .40 cal handgun loads.

2. Wear your Oakleys (this is actually a "sustained")

3. .45 ACP rounds are "relatively" slower than other handgun calibers and may not puncture Level 3 bullet resistant glass at 10 meters.

4. Don't shoot at bullet resistant glass without body armor (this is actually an "improve").

5. .45 ACP rounds can kill you if they bounce off of bullet resistant glass at less than 10 meters.

6. A returning .45 ACP round missing your left eye by just a 1/4 of an inch, but catching and shattering your Oakley glasses is a proof that you are a little more than lucky.

7. A team member standing next to you will assess you for injuries and, upon realizing that there are none, will laugh at you.

8. A black eye is preferable to a lost eye.

9. Buy stock in the Oakley Company!

10. Leave freaking bullet resistant glass alone!

Psywar1-0 · 01-14-2005, 21:54

and you wondered why the CSM was making you wear body armor just to fast rope

Everyone laughed at me for wearing plates to go shoot reactive targets on new years day, till everyone started getting blowback

**Bill Harsey** · 01-15-2005, 09:53

Sounds like you guys need carbide points in your .45 caliber projectiles. I just had a thought one layer deeper on this but I'll save that for PM to QP's only.

Glad your ok.

Are the Oakleys still under guarantee?

Do they make them with polycarbonate lenses?

Basenshukai · 01-15-2005, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

Sounds like you guys need carbide points in your .45 caliber projectiles. I just had a thought one layer deeper on this but I'll save that for PM to QP's only.

Glad your ok.

Are the Oakleys still under guarantee?

Do they make them with polycarbonate lenses?

Well, they are issued, so I'm getting another Shooting Array box (contains three lenses - different tints - within an Oakley case and one frame). But, I'll say this much, they are worth the cost.

QRQ 30 · 01-15-2005, 10:43

I'm not familiar with the Oakleys you wear but if they aren't of polycarbonet they should be.

I speak as an optician. It is totally shatter proof. I used to collect polycarbonate lenses that were returned. The most awsome was a lens thah had a sliver of metal stuck in the lense. Had it been of some other material the lens would have shattered and the individual would have lost an eye.

I am sure that the glasses you wear are poly since it is an OSHA requirement for safety glasses. Poly carbonate is actually LEXAN, the same material used in other armored protection devices. It is a soft material and gets its rigidity from the coating.

BTW: Where is my preacher's smiley bosses?

NousDefionsDoc · 01-15-2005, 11:17

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7. A team member standing next to you will assess you for injuries and, upon realizing that there are none, will laugh at you.

LOL - No blood, no sympathy.

Oakleys are GTG. Blowback is a bitch. Safety gear is important.

I've been looking at the Shooter's Array as well. Is one of the lenses the regular dark sunglass-type? They use all kinds of weird names for the colors of their lenses, so I can never tell.

Basenshukai · 01-15-2005, 12:01

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

LOL - No blood, no sympathy.

Oakleys are GTG. Blowback is a bitch. Safety gear is important.

I've been looking at the Shooter's Array as well. Is one of the lenses the regular dark sunglass-type? They use all kinds of weird names for the colors of their lenses, so I can never tell.

The Shooting Array we have has three types of lenses: Amber, Clear and Dark (Black and not "Iridium", or reflective as the attached JPEG shows). Like the old poncho liner and the field jacket liner, the Oakley glasses is one of the most cherished pieces of equipment we have (due to its excellent design and practicality). Only criticism is the design of the "legs" of the frame. These are somewhat thick and, when worn in conjunction with Peltor ear protection (with integrated communication), apply pressure to the area over the temples and the ears causing mild headaches in some case, annoying discomfort in most. Other than that, I will always rely on Oakley.

When I write that my Oakleys shattered, I was not specific. What shattered was the black frame that holds the lens. The lens itself (vented clear lens, in this case) did not break or crack. All you could see was a copper-colored streak originating from where the round skipped and terminating on the black frame (this broke the frame). If you held the clear lens up to the light of the sun, you could see a rainbow-colored distortion where the lens apparently flexed as it was impacted. Nevertheless, the impact felt as if I had been punched in the face. Other than that, you couldn't see any damage on the lens itself. Of course, I replaced that lens with a brand-new one.

I knew that Oakley glasses were good, but, had this not actually happened to me, I wouldn't have believed that they could handle so much. Honestly.

NousDefionsDoc · 01-15-2005, 12:04

Thanks. I'm glad you're ok.

It's all fun and games and shooting glass until somebody loses an eye.

**Razor** · 01-15-2005, 12:14

While I haven't had a ricochet, I have an M-Frame lens I've designated as my 'range lens', as it has a couple small scratches on it from brass that's come back and hit me. Without the glasses, the brass would have hit me dead on in the eye. I definately recommend Oakley M-Frames for shooting.

QRQ 30 · 01-15-2005, 12:25

Now you see why I kept a few lenses around to show. People won't believe. We used to have a video of a lens surviving a rifle shot similar to the old Master Lock commercial.

A while back I was "written up" by Lenscrafters for refusing to dispense anything other than polycarb to a 10 year old boy who was the definite monster variety. His parents complained. I got the last laugh later when Lenscrafters and most optical companies made poly carb lenses mandatory for children below a certain age.

bberkley · 01-15-2005, 13:29

Oakley used to have a store display of a mannequin head with a pair of their sunglasses with a bunch of shotgun pellets embedded in it. Needless to say, the mannequin head suffered more than the Oakleys.

I've been an Oakley customer for 15+ years, and not likely to change. In fact, I just picked up my first-ever pair of Rx lenses for my M-frame for shooting as I have some difficulty acquiring the front sight with Toric contacts.

01-15-2005, 14:49

Do you guys know if you can get these with correcting lenses?

Air.177 · 01-15-2005, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Martin

Do you guys know if you can get these with correcting lenses?

"In fact, I just picked up my first-ever pair of Rx lenses for my M-frame for shooting"

Yes

01-15-2005, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Air.177

"In fact, I just picked up my first-ever pair of Rx lenses for my M-frame for shooting"

Yes

DOH!

That's what you get for being comprehension impaired. Thanks!

(didn't know that's what Rx meant)

QRQ 30 · 01-15-2005, 17:14

Rx is prescription.

Keep in mind that the safety advantages you speak of are the material and not the brand.

Oakleys are cool

and I also like them. What you like about the Oakleys is the styling and not the safety which can be purchased otherwise. Besides the "cool" styling the lenses are optically correct. If you want a pair of Rx Oakleys, including all three lenses, you will pay a pretty $$$$ for them. If it is worth it to you by all means get them, otherwise realise there are more inexpensive glasses available. If I had the money I'd buy an M3 BMW.