08-22-2005, 20:31
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08-22-2005, 20:36
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Looks like a funny version of the SCAR but..............
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08-22-2005, 20:51
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Fabrique Nationale Herstal F2000.
Fired one recently. Not a big fan.
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08-22-2005, 20:59
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Fabrique Nationale Herstal F2000.
Fired one recently. Not a big fan.
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Damn, there isn't much you haven't fired sir.
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08-22-2005, 21:01
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Damn, there isn't much you haven't fired sir.
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What can I say, I get around a little. 
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08-23-2005, 12:51
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Do you ever get to Estonia?
The pic is from Erna Retk 2005. Erna Retk, or Erna Raid, is an annual military competition held in Estonia, sponsored by the Erna Society. The Erna Society commemorates an Estonian assault battalion that served in World War Two alongside the German Wehrmacht and the Finnish Army.
Most of the teams come from various Estonian military units, but this year's field of 29 included teams from Belgium, China, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Great Britain, Hungary, Italy, Sweden and the United States.
Homefield advantage helps - this year's winners were a team from the Estonian Army's Scoutspataljon (Scout Battalion), followed by a team from the Luurepataljon (Recon Battalion) and one from the Military Academy. A female team came in second to last, but beat the Italians.
There's a fair mix of weapons, uniforms and gear. Besides the Belgians with their FNs, the Americans with their M-4s, the Danes with their C8A2s, the Finns with their M-95s, etc., the Estonians alone displayed a variety. These guys, from one of the two Scoutspataljon teams, have Israeli Galils and what looks like British style DPM. Other Estonians have what looks like Polish camouflage. These guys, who have both US and Polish cammies, are from the Estonian reserve officers' team. These guys with the G-36s and US woodland BDUs are from the Luurepataljon.
A gallery from the opening ceremony is here. One from the beach assault is here. Each of the pics opens to a much larger image.
Several galleries of smaller photos from the various events are here.
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08-23-2005, 13:10
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Well, it was nice to see that the active duty team from the base where i served, came in 4th.
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08-23-2005, 16:04
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Damn it... I'm always a day late on these things. 
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08-23-2005, 16:37
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Fabrique Nationale Herstal F2000.
Fired one recently. Not a big fan.
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Sir,
A civilian version is going to offered in the US in the next year or so. What about the 2000 didn't you like? I ask because I'm thinking about laying out a deposit on one. Your insight would be very helpfull.
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08-23-2005, 16:44
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Here's a question for Tuukka: why does Estonia use the Galil instead of the M-95 or a similar Finnish rifle, given the fact that the weapons are so similar and given Finland's proximity to and relationship with Estonia? Cost? Export regulations?
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08-23-2005, 20:05
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Sir,
A civilian version is going to offered in the US in the next year or so. What about the 2000 didn't you like? I ask because I'm thinking about laying out a deposit on one. Your insight would be very helpfull.
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Your only access to the chamber is through the little flip up port at the back of the receiver. Good luck clearing a malfunction there.
I did personally note a serious muzzle climb in full-auto fire. A later shooter dumped an entire mag in one burst, the majority of rounds being fired well above the target, the last 10 above the berm.
Other than that, I do not see it offering much beyond the alternatives. What does it do that the M-4 or the H&K does not? I would much prefer the H&K 416 with the H&K steel mags.
Just my .02, YMMV.
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08-23-2005, 20:12
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Thank you, I will save my money then.
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08-23-2005, 21:17
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i noticed a pic with a 20th GRP memeber 
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08-24-2005, 00:12
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Originally Posted by Airbornelawyer
Here's a question for Tuukka: why does Estonia use the Galil instead of the M-95 or a similar Finnish rifle, given the fact that the weapons are so similar and given Finland's proximity to and relationship with Estonia? Cost? Export regulations?
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I would say that price is a large factor again, they obviously got a bundle of Galils for the price that a smaller number of production Rk95s would have cost them. I am not 100% sure that if the Rk95s are even manufactured any more, atleast the civilian version M92S manufacture ceased a a few years back.
The Estonians also received thousands of U.S. M14 rifles.
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08-24-2005, 08:27
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The Estonians also received thousands of U.S. M14 rifles.
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And a couple ODAs from my company did a MTT on that rifle for them back in '97.
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