06-29-2023, 05:57
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Open AI being sued
It seems various suits have been in progress for about a year. This is a short article discussing a particular one seeking class action for "scraping" personal & copyrighted information, and citing potential violation of anti-hacking laws.
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ChatGPT creator OpenAI is stealing “vast amounts” of personal information to train its artificial intelligence models in a heedless hunt for profits, a group of anonymous individuals claimed in a lawsuit seeking class action status.
OpenAI has violated privacy laws by secretly scraping 300 billion words from the internet, tapping “books, articles, websites and posts — including personal information obtained without consent,” according to the sprawling, 157-page lawsuit. It doesn’t shy from sweeping language, accusing the company of risking “civilizational collapse.”
The plaintiffs are described by their occupations or interests but identified only by initials for fear of a backlash against them, the Clarkson Law Firm said in the suit, filed Wednesday in federal court in San Francisco. They cite $3 billion in potential damages, based on a category of harmed individuals they estimate to be in the millions.
‘A Different Approach: Theft’
“Despite established protocols for the purchase and use of personal information, Defendants took a different approach: theft,” they allege. The company’s popular chatbot program ChatGPT and other products are trained on private information taken from what the plaintiffs described as hundreds of millions of internet users, including children, without their permission.
Microsoft Corp., which plans to invest a reported $13 billion in OpenAI, was also named as a defendant.
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06-29-2023, 06:52
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This will be interesting.
The ownership of the World's combined intelligence will be needed to run these AI bots effectively..
Will someone need to purchase rights from owners, like musicians, to access their libraries?
Will the owner get a one-time payment or residuals for each use?
If the bot has to pay, will the bot sell you access?
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06-29-2023, 08:47
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This will be interesting.
The ownership of the World's combined intelligence will be needed to run these AI bots effectively..
Holy Shit!
Will someone need to purchase rights from owners, like musicians, to access their libraries?
John Fogerty and Tom Petty's estate will have something to say...
Will the owner get a one-time payment or residuals for each use?
Wow, can you see .Gov versions of ASCAP/BMI?
If the bot has to pay, will the bot sell you access?
Apple will buy it out from under everyone and let people see it once a year only, at Christmas, pay-per-view.

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Good serious stuff to consider, really. (above you'll see my brief SNL snark indulgence)
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06-29-2023, 09:57
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What would really be funny is if the law firm used ChapGPT to write the complaint.
x/S
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06-29-2023, 12:05
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"When you control the information you control the people."
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06-29-2023, 13:55
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What would really be funny is if the law firm used ChapGPT to write the complaint.
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Hmmm. Can we have AI and then counter-AI? Can an AI (engine? is that the word?) detect BS product from another AI? Thinking of those publicized occurrences of AI writing its own citations to justify its outcome, even if the citation doesn't really exist.
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06-29-2023, 15:03
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Will the owner get residuals for each use?
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If Amazon, Netflix, Apple and the rest of the (AMPTP) have a say....
How 'bout nooo
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06-29-2023, 16:16
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How 'bout nooo
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Not to worry, folks
Joe has asked Kamala to fix AI.
AI needs reparations..
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06-29-2023, 18:24
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Hmmm. Can we have AI and then counter-AI? Can an AI (engine? is that the word?) detect BS product from another AI? Thinking of those publicized occurrences of AI writing its own citations to justify its outcome, even if the citation doesn't really exist.
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What an interesting question.
I like it. I think it could work.
But then it might turn into something like a Snopes Factchecker... oh, err... maybe not...
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06-30-2023, 11:09
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Isaac Asimov said that AI research should be done on the moon. Now, it is here. We are fucked.
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07-05-2023, 08:27
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07-05-2023, 14:30
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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK
The ownership of the World's combined intelligence will be needed to run these AI bots effectively..
Will someone need to purchase rights from owners, like musicians, to access their libraries?
Will the owner get a one-time payment or residuals for each use?
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And the Grand Feast of Knowledge Begins.
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Authors sue OpenAI for copyright infringement, claim ChatGPT unlawfully 'ingested' their books
Authors Paul Tremblay and Mona Awad filed a class-action complaint in California federal court alleging OpenAI broke copyright law by training its software to "ingest" their books without permission.
ChatGPT, a large language model, is "trained" by copying massive amounts of text and extracting expressive information from it to form a compilation of input material known as the "training dataset," according to the complaint filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...ingested-books
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These AIbots can only work if they have unfettered access to ALL INFORMATION in the World.
Get to your copyright lawyer and prepare to do battle. 😎
I suspect the Woke Liberals will attempt to pass laws that say the AI bots are good, so you will lose ownership.
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07-06-2023, 04:06
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These AIbots can only work if they have unfettered access to ALL INFORMATION in the World.
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Is one of the methods used to accomplish this the technique (malady?) known as "data scaping" that Musk has been citing as his rationale to limit number of tweets that can be 'read' in a day?
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07-06-2023, 05:38
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Is one of the methods used to accomplish this the technique (malady?) known as "data scaping" that Musk has been citing as his rationale to limit number of tweets that can be 'read' in a day?
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Yes
Data Scraping loosely means gathering without permission or knowledge.
And Tweets, like any other byte of information, are a source to gather.
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07-06-2023, 11:02
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AI is just another one of those things that instead of asking "should we do this?" they asked "are we able to do this?"
You know like Fauci and Co doing experiments to see if they could make viruses more deadly.
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