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Old 04-24-2019, 07:17   #1
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Not your father's promotion board

The days of biding your time until you come up for promotion are over. The Army has done away with sequence numbers, which take into account how long an NCO has been serving and rank them versus their peers. The Army will now promote based purely on talent.

They’ll do it with a multipurpose selection board, SMA Dan Dailey told Army Times on 16 Apr. The board will rank Staff Sergeants through Sergeants Major within their MOS. The new list, like the current Order of Merit rundowns, will be based on their mandated milestones and further informed by NCO Evaluation Reports. “If you need to select for promotion, school attendance, training, you start from the top,” he said “If you need to manage the size of the force by MOS and skill level, you can start from the bottom.”

So rather than the seven to nine separate boards the Army currently convenes each year, each rank will get its own quarterly board where this master list is assembled. Then, when Human Resources Command needs to fill training seats, select for broadening opportunities like Drill Sergeant or recruiter, and move some Soldiers up to the next rank, they can consult the list. "If you meet the eligibility requirements and you’re the number one person, you’ll be the number one selected for school," SMA Dailey said, regardless of time in service or grade. And during a drawdown, if there’s a need for a qualitative management selection, those at the bottom of the list will be the first to go, rather than getting together an entirely new board to decide who is under-performing.

The new board process will “most importantly, create opportunities for upward mobility for those who are seeking to reach the highest standards,” Dailey said, because the most talented Soldiers will be selected, rather than the ones with the most seniority.

“It’s paying back what I call the unbuyable resource – time,” SMA Dailey said, eliminating the need to take leadership out of their formations, pay for them to travel on temporary duty and help make individual decisions about promotions, education slots and so on.

The Staff Sergeant board will convene in February, the Master Sergeants in May, Sergeants Major in August and Sergeants First Class around December.
“So the fundamental premise of leadership is what the board looks for and evaluates,” said Jerry Purcell, the Army’s personnel policy integrator. Once the board is over, Soldiers can sign onto Army Career Tracker or the Integrated Pay and Personnel System, when it’s fully fielded, and see where they stand. If you’re an Infantryman, you will see you’re number X of N,” Purcell said. “It will be transparent to the individual affected.” There will also be notes, he added, with feedback from board members, who can select on a drop-down menu which of the Soldier’s attributes most affected their standing, good or bad. For example, “character negative” or “character positive.” There will be another, public list, but it will be alphabetical and only include Soldiers who are fully qualified in their MOS and grade, with an asterisk next to those are who are at or near the top.

The roll-out will happen over the next three years, starting later in 2019, with the next class of U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy students, who were selected for Sergeant Major before attending school. Their standing on the Order of Merit List will determine which jobs they’re selected for once they graduate, Purcell said. Next year, training selections will be according to the OML. And this year’s Master Sergeant and Sergeant First Class boards will be the last. They will select for promotion and those NCOs will eventually go to training and get promoted. Next year, the Army will skip those boards, allowing this year’s selections to fill up all of the available slots, and then in 2021 start selecting according to the OML.
A senior enlisted council of about 300 Sergeants Major will be trained on the new system and will fan out to every installation, SMA Dailey said, to teach Soldiers face-to-face about the new system.

There’s another benefit to this system, rather than trying to predict the future, Human Resources Command will know how many NCOs it needs on a monthly basis. “We’re not going to try to predetermine and forecast for the out years, and draw a line on that board,” SMA Dailey said. “We’re going to have a continuous, running talent assessment, where we select people for training, and educate them, and then select them for promotion based on an annual requirement that year.”

This is the progression now: An NCO is selected for promotion, then selected for a seat at the education course required for the next rank up, then finally promoted when a space opens up at the next grade. That whole process could take two years. “So in order to allow time to do all of that, and then satisfy a year’s worth of promotion demand, we’re really looking, 27 to 28 months in the future at structure and at loss behavior over that entire time frame,” Purcell told Army Times. And, inevitably, when those two-plus years are up, the forecast won’t be 100% accurate, the Army could launch into a buildup or a drawdown that affects the number of NCOs it needs, or a good economy might convince some NCOs to brave the open job market, and there won’t be enough to fill every slot.

“They’re educated guesses, but they’re often wrong,” Purcell said. “So we end up with people on a list who we have to promote, because we’ve committed to do that, when they’re excess, and they create skill and grade imbalances.” Meaning that in a year when they overshoot the number, the next year has fewer promotions. Or if they undershoot it, they have to promote some Soldiers lower down on the list to fill in the gaps. But all that is over. Now, the yearly, streamlined OML allows the Army to go one step at a time. At 18 months in grade (rather than the current 24) Soldiers will be “boarded,” and they can’t opt out.
“Now we’re going to simply inform who to train to qualify for promotion,” Purcell said. “The promotion will come later when there is an actual requirement.” First comes school. If they’re at the top of the OML for 11B Staff Sergeants, for instance, they’ll get a spot at the Senior Leader Course. When they complete it, they’ll be eligible for promotion, but they won’t be selected until there’s a requirement for them. “Every month, we decide by month,” Purcell said. “We’ll be able to look at the next month, establish exactly what we need, go down every MOS for every grade, and we’ll be able to promote to the actual requirements.” So the days when a Soldier would rock Staff Sergeant-promotable for months before his or her name are done. Now, you might know a few weeks out that you’re getting promoted. “We sacrifice soldier predictability for improved readiness,” Purcell said.

As a consolation, the Army will publish a quarterly list of promotion projections. “Once we’re 90 days out, we have a pretty good idea of what the requirements are going to be,” versus the current two-year forecast, he said. And because the more accurate predictions will fix the problem of course-correcting later on, he added, it’s likely that the Army will make more progress down the list than in years past. “We’ll end up promoting more people from this process than we ever have before,” he said.

Within the discussion over talent management in the past couple of years, SMA Dailey has floated the idea of limiting looks at promotion boards for E-7s, in the name of making space for promising E-6s to move up. It probably won’t be necessary to force NCOs out if they’re not selected for promotion twice in a row, he said, but there will be provisions in place to keep everyone performing and improving. “What we’re going to try to do is eliminate the retention control point environment,” Purcell said, in favor of performance. The Army doesn’t want to force out successful NCOs, he added, just because of time. It takes eight new Soldiers to replace a Staff Sergeant, and if that Staff Sergeant is good, he said, they don’t want to lose him or her.

For Soldiers who have missed professional milestones, the backstop will be a letter from the Army Department, triggered after a Soldier is determined unqualified for promotion. Those will start going out in 2021. They’ll have until the next year to correct it, Purcell said, or risk involuntary separation.
In some rare cases, there may be Soldiers who turn down a promotion. If they are high-performing, SMA Dailey said, there will be a specific exception that allows them to continue serving. “We are putting together a set of rules for that,” he said. “As long as you’re doing exactly what the Army needs you to do, and there’s no detriment to anybody else in the Army as a result of it, and we need you – so there’s got to be a requirement, you don’t just get to stay – we think that there’s a provision to say that that’s okay.”

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Old 04-24-2019, 09:33   #2
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Hm, not getting positive waves from the story.

While it sounds WHAZOOO on paper I can see where the "system" can foul it up in many areas.

I didn't see the old system as broken and in need of fixing.
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Old 04-24-2019, 10:02   #3
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Hm, not getting positive waves from the story.
Likewise. Admittedly it's been a galaxy away for me, and there was never the OPTEMPO anything near what the last 18yrs has been. So Big Army is gonna try again at telling unit commanders to bust critical people out of their structure for awhile because they came up for a school, slotted against a possible future appearance at the top of the list?

Sounds to me like another way of insuring that the professional REMFs get to continue polishing themselves while the ones living their lives between downrange, a brief nap, JRTC --> downrange, repeat ad nauseum end up 'terminal' or RIF'd. Sure has alot of fancy words & phrasing, though.
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Old 04-24-2019, 10:07   #4
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and what is next from the good idea fairy?

I get the feeling that being named "Sergeant Major of the Army" gives one the impression that you now have a personal piggybank to satisfy all your fantasies. The new uniform is unnecessary and expensive and proof we should have left well enough alone and kept the troops Army green. Now this, a total revamp of the enlisted promotion system, all while the AWG says our infantry squads don't know infantry squad tactics and techniques......
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Old 04-24-2019, 10:13   #5
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Infantry Squad Leaders don't know how to land-nav; maybe we need to restructure the DA centralized promotion system.

Then when we are done, we can redesign the newly redesigned dress uniform again before we have to start re-looking our camouflage fatigue pattern.


One day we will take on the ankle biter tasks like making sure soldiers get their language pay on time - or figuring out how to make DTS work like it is supposed to work.
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- or figuring out how to make DTS work like it is supposed to work.
That thing was never supposed to work. The Prompt Payment Act only applies to Beltway insider contractors enrolled in the MICC, not you peasants that actually go TDY.
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Old 04-24-2019, 13:23   #7
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That entire article is woefully full of shit. These hamfisted goons are playing tic-tac-toe with themselves and claiming that they have invented a new national pastime

"biding your time until you come up for promotion"

What fucking system was that a part of - I dont remember that particular process at all...
You didnt get a sequence number until you had been selected for promotion. The idiots trying to sell this snake oil make it sound like old guys were racked and stacked by century of birth and automatically promoted when the previous generation of dinosaurs died out...

Top performers got promoted in the secondary zone or their first time in the primary zone and THEN all of the promotables got a sequence number (yes based on seniority) and pinned on their new rank throughout the year.

Then these fuckfisted idiots say that "The Army will now promote based purely on talent."
Well Jesus Aych Christ - what were they promoting on before?
Fuck me - now I get it. I always knew I was a talent-less court jester just biding my time until I came up for promotion - just mindlessly standing in line like all of the other lost souls hoping for a few morsels of promotion fodder - Just like a dumbassed PFC the day before payday inspection, waiting for my number to pop up at the barber shop so I could get my haircut "since I was there first."

Well fuckmerunningsideways - if I'd have known that talent wasn't required for a promotion back in the day, my fucking ass wouldn't have deployed so much - I'd have gone to college and smoked dope - biding my time until I came up for promotion

Who in the holy fuck writes these mindless fucking articles for that ignorant assed newspaper?

I hope everyone realizes - all of our problems are now being solved by a guy that apparently didn't get promoted on talent either - he just waited in the SGM line, biding his time until he came up for promotion.

So - on to this illusion that we currently run 7-9 boards per year:
1 SFC board per year
1 MSG Board Per Year
1 SGM Board Per year
1 CSL that selects primary and alternates
= 4 boards per year

How in the fuck is that 7-9 boards per year?
My math is probably a bit off - in line with the level of talent that I rode through the ranks.
Admittedly - there are Reserve Boards as well - but that inst the discussion topic.

Its like the ship has sprung a leak, the boat is starting to sink, and there are hundreds of buckets laying around that we could use to help bail the water out and keep the ship afloat.
Instead, we are all being issued wire brushes to scrape the rust off of the bulkhead.
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SMA Dailey is the product of a no friction Ascension to the top and a huge ego with a small brain....this is his solution? The piss poor leaders of the Army once again can't fix the real problem with the Army with it's band aid solutions to retention and recruitment. The current promotion is broken and has been for a long time which has led to the multitude of issues we currently have from promoting some career focused sycophants who have cracked the good ole by riddle. The only talent this idiot will ascertain from records is the skill of the author of the NCOER and the likeability of the soldier by the writer.....the rest is academic crap. The SMA suffers from a giant ego and self delusion based off his own frictionless path. The Army needs an authoritarian warrior type not this political a-hole. He is blissfully unaware that not everyone needs to be promoted and by this policy the retirement incentive being shot out of the sky by the inability to reach the RCP after 2 boards will be even worse on retention and enlistment
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SMA Dailey is the product of a no friction Ascension to the top and a huge ego with a small brain....this is his solution? The piss poor leaders of the Army once again can't fix the real problem with the Army with it's band aid solutions to retention and recruitment. The current promotion is broken and has been for a long time which has led to the multitude of issues we currently have from promoting some career focused sycophants who have cracked the good ole by riddle. The only talent this idiot will ascertain from records is the skill of the author of the NCOER and the likeability of the soldier by the water.....the rest is academic crap. The SMA suffers from a giant ego and self delusion based off his own frictionless path. The Army needs an authoritarian warrior type not this political a-hole. He is blissfully unaware that not everyone needs to be promoted and by this policy the retirement incentive being shot out of the sky by the inability to reach the RCP after 2 boards will be even worse on retention and enlistment

This is very similar to the civilian job retention culling process started when we went thru 1987 market crash (c ref)

Everybody wanted to rank their employees and fire the bottom dwellers.
  • The first pass does get rid of those that need to leave
  • The second pass starts to get rid of the good hard working individuals, most of which are happy with their jobs
  • The third pass and you're getting rid of the real talented hard working studs that make it work, their failure is they are not politically correct
  • After the fourth pass, you are left with the best ass kissers in the world. They don't produce jack but make top management very happy with perfect powerpoint foils
  • Then the next war starts....

Now we have SMA Dailey's New ARMY way.

link: list of market crashes
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This is very similar to the civilian job retention culling process started when we went thru 1987 market crash (c ref)

Everybody wanted to rank their employees and fire the bottom dwellers.
  • The first pass does get rid of those that need to leave
  • The second pass starts to get rid of the good hard working individuals, most of which are happy with their jobs
  • The third pass and you're getting rid of the real talented hard working studs that make it work, their failure is they are not politically correct
  • After the fourth pass, you are left with the best ass kissers in the world. They don't produce jack but make top management very happy with perfect powerpoint foils
  • Then the next war starts....

Now we have SMA Dailey's New ARMY way.

link: list of market crashes
My thoughts exactly....

The funny thing was the shitbird SF soldiers that got moved around group to different teams (“maybe they just don’t get along with the other guys”) or to different staff positions (“maybe he is having family problems”)....always working somewhere else every 6 months because someone didn’t want egg on their face or was just plain lazy to start a tab revocation packet....

But then, Sontag says he’s putting the best of the best through the Q, right? How could there ever be shitbirds in group???

FFS for that matter why don’t we use that process in the Q itself? Bottom 10%? Bye! How did the song go? 100 men (ooooops sorry 100 soldiers) will test today, but only 3, earn the Green Berret (oooooops everyone that makes it through selection gets a green beenie)

But then what do I know, I’m a retired FAG....
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My thoughts exactly....

The funny thing was the shitbird SF soldiers that got moved around group to different teams (“maybe they just don’t get along with the other guys”) or to different staff positions (“maybe he is having family problems”)....always working somewhere else every 6 months because someone didn’t want egg on their face or was just plain lazy to start a tab revocation packet....

But then, Sontag says he’s putting the best of the best through the Q, right? How could there ever be shitbirds in group???

But then what do I know, I’m a retired FAG....
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