Geissele Triggers explained...

07-09-2013, 08:56

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypb5HXdDJhc

Choosing the Right Trigger for You - Geissele Automatics and ALG Defense

**Peregrino** · 07-09-2013, 18:52

Most of my toys use his triggers. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way. The couple that don't will probably get ALGs in the near future. (MOO - not everything needs a two-stage trigger; but everything will benefit from a BG "upgrade".)

koz · 07-09-2013, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Peregrino

Most of my toys use his triggers. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way. The couple that don't will probably get ALGs in the near future. (MOO - not everything needs a two-stage trigger; but everything will benefit from a BG "upgrade".)

I've got 16 of Bill's triggers. And now one of Bill's wife's (ALG) triggers. It's a nice feeling single stage (at least it's quite a bit better than a GI trigger). It's not a competition single stage but smoother than OEM.

For what it's worth, I own or have owned KAC, Timney, Hogan/POF, Wilson/Chip McCormick, RRA, LMT and a Bill Springfield modified. NONE are as good as a Geissele for precision or combat guns. One can make an argument that the crisp single stage are better 3-gun triggers (even compared to the SD3G). But the SD3G is very quick. I'm not used to the flat trigger though.

07-10-2013, 07:55

I am going to get a few of his triggers myself. I just wished he made one for a FAL.

TacOfficer · 06-25-2017, 14:25

Just to resurrect a dead thread, I was looking at Geissele and came across this new one : Super Speed Precision (SSP) Geissele Curved Bow

https://geissele.com/super-speed-pre...urved-bow.html

I'm required to have a single stage trigger for work, and was thinking of this, it's new for 2017. Currently I have mil-spec and was wondering if it's worth spending the money for a new trigger . Any suggestions for work?

Thanks

JJ_BPK · 06-25-2017, 19:15

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Originally Posted by TacOfficer

Just to resurrect a dead thread, I was looking at Geissele and came across this new one : Super Speed Precision (SSP) Geissele Curved Bow

https://geissele.com/super-speed-pre...urved-bow.html

I'm required to have a single stage trigger for work, and was thinking of this, it's new for 2017. Currently I have mil-spec and was wondering if it's worth spending the money for a new trigger . Any suggestions for work?

Thanks

Talk to your chief and the local DA. At one time an "altered" weapon was a major No-No. ACLU would eat you alive in a court room.

A good stock, as built, as purchased, weapon should be all you need,, unless your the sniper unit. YMMV

TacOfficer · 06-25-2017, 22:17

Thank you gentlemen for your replies.

The primary concern regarding triggers within the Dept is trigger stage,must be single and pull 4.5. I've only had stock mil spec that came with the carbine and it feels gritty compared to my pistols. I was curious if a smoother trigger would be practical/appreciable.

Not looking for wiz bang or tacti-cool. BTDT with gear. Got a whole box of that in the basement.

Is it safe to reason: like if it ain't broke, it's good enough?

miclo18d · 06-26-2017, 05:36

I have a JP Enterprises single stage in mine. They are adjustable and come with different springs for different pull weights. You have to buy another spring for the mandatory MIL/LE spring weights. I have mine with the competition springs and it's like a 3lb pull. It's very adjustable to your feel and you set the screws with locktite when you get it where you want it, specifically the reset distance (almost nonexistent). It's not a drop it so it requires some work or your armorers work.

https://www.jprifles.com/buy.php?item=JPFCP-1EZ

TacOfficer · 06-26-2017, 09:00

I'll ask our firearms people if there could be any issues. I really appreciate the input.

As I was perusing the geissele website looking at the new MK13 rail 😃, I came across the new trigger and saw that it fit our requirements, so being the guy always looking to improve........

Really appreciate the input. I'll have to try a carbine that has one of these high speed triggers to see if I can appreciate the difference.

frostfire · 06-26-2017, 10:44

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Originally Posted by TacOfficer

Really appreciate the input. I'll have to try a carbine that has one of these high speed triggers to see if I can appreciate the difference.

try any Geissele SD3G, AR Gold, JP rolling, etc. and you WILL experience the difference.

The rifle team coach gave great demo for our MTT when he suspended the weight of the rifle just on the mil-spec trigger without the trigger moving. It illustrates that the force you exert on the trigger is more than the weight of the rifle. Thus, how you move the trigger is enough to move the rifle around, more so during recoil/reset as there's less visual feedback then. Furthermore, a smooth, crisp trigger is more conducive to the "surprise bang" before your subconscious can screw the fundamentals via flinching, bucking, anticipation, etc. Likewise, the short reset facilitates follow up shot under solid fundamental before any mental screw ups. Another one that Bill Geissele gave great explanation at length is lock time. It may be millisecond, but basically before any movement off your "acceptable" wobble zone, the bullet already leave the barrel.

In some way, it's a crutch and can be a liability without proper training and getting used to it i.e. I will never use my Geissele national match for patrol rifle with the 2nd stage set at 0.5 lbs and mm worth of reset! Btw, that's why I like combat match because it's a level playing field with everybody struggling with that gritty inconsistent 6 to 9 lbs pull of the select fire trigger. Those who do well in 3 gun using race guns did not bring the same dominance when given issue M4/M16

Brush Okie puts it best with "it will not make the rifle more accurate, but you can use the rifles accuracy more." It allows you to harness the mechanical accuracy off rifle + ammo. You may not see it readily at close i.e 7 yards but even at that distance, if you're blasting at Miculek rate of fire

you will definitely appreciate the difference

I personally recommend the cost-effective ALG series.

TacOfficer · 06-26-2017, 12:06

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Originally Posted by frostfire

. I personally recommend the cost-effective ALG series.

This looks promising. Lower $$ commitment

, compared to SSP.

Advanced Combat Trigger (ACT)

https://algdefense.com/alg-combat-trigger-act.html

I'm a big fan of fundamentals, and always look to myself before "crutches". I was humbled years ago when golfing. I had a set of clubs I was thinking of replacing when I asked another golfer for his opinion. He took the driver, smacked the ball over 300yds. The questions ceased and I went back to the driving range.

**Peregrino** · 06-26-2017, 13:06

You will appreciate the ACT. I have two in "play" guns and feel they're the most cost effective upgrade a shooter can make within the constraints of a MILSPEC configuration. MOO - YMMV.

TacOfficer · 06-26-2017, 13:30

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Originally Posted by Peregrino

You will appreciate the ACT. I have two in "play" guns and feel they're the most cost effective upgrade a shooter can make within the constraints of a MILSPEC configuration. MOO - YMMV.

Well here's an update I didn't expect. Our armorers recommended the ACT as being the best upgrade inside the guide lines.

Ok now where's that credit card?

**The Reaper** · 06-26-2017, 19:54

Started with a Williams set trigger, got into the Milazzo-Kreiger, and eventually the Rock River match trigger.

Tried a JARD single stage, I think, that the gunsmith recommended and found that my trigger pull is incompatible with the single stage trigger.

I then found the Geissele SSA and eventually the SSA-E before shooting the Larue MBT-2S. I believe that the SSA is probably 5.5 pounds, and the SSA-E is more like 4.5#. The Larues are just under 3.5 pounds pull.

Recently got a couple of the ACT's, but they are not in the same arena as the Geissele and Larue. Good trigger for the price though, but they are probably 5.5 pound set-ups at best..

With periodic sales for $99, an extremely clean break, and a pound less pull than the SSA-E, Mark Larue has my trigger business.

TR

frostfire · 06-27-2017, 20:50

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

Started with a Williams set trigger, got into the Milazzo-Kreiger, and eventually the Rock River match trigger.

Tried a JARD single stage, I think, that the gunsmith recommended and found that my trigger pull is incompatible with the single stage trigger.

I then found the Geissele SSA and eventually the SSA-E before shooting the Larue MBT-2S. I believe that the SSA is probably 5.5 pounds, and the SSA-E is more like 4.5#. The Larues are just under 3.5 pounds pull.

Recently got a couple of the ACT's, but they are not in the same arena as the Geissele and Larue. Good trigger for the price though, but they are probably 5.5 pound set-ups at best..

With periodic sales for $99, an extremely clean break, and a pound less pull than the SSA-E, Mark Larue has my trigger business.

TR

I could not perceive the weight difference between the Larue and SSA. Perhaps should have used the trigger pull scale.
Also IIRC, the Larue MBT has wider surface?

Works great if one's natural finger placement fall mostly on the pad. Not so great if on the first joint.

But if bought at $99 it's definitely a better bargain compared to the SSA-E and even the ALG ACT