01-05-2017, 14:25
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Hacking an Act of War?
Sen. McCain said today that the Russian hacking of email accounts was an act of war. I'm not overly informed on the definition of espionage as an act of war or the acts of misinformation (rather, misappropriation of information), but the comments by McCain have the appearance of being true and I trust his POV. All that being said, if we choose to retaliate against the Russians then what about the Chinese? Also, do we really feel we can prevail in a cyber WW3 as we are currently staffed/configured?
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President Obama has received a much-anticipated classified report on alleged Russian and other foreign meddling in American elections, heightening interest in what evidence the file contains as Republicans spar over the cyberattack claims – and wait for their chance to see the findings themselves.
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and other top intelligence officials visited the White House Thursday afternoon, to brief the president on the materials.
President-elect Donald Trump is to be briefed on the report on Friday.
(more at: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...on-claims.html)
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01-05-2017, 14:48
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Mc Cain is an idiot
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Masterful understatement. I didn't realize you were capable of such restraint. I certainly wouldn't have been.
(No - that was NOT sarcasm.)
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01-05-2017, 15:44
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Act of stupidity
Being talked into a war with Russia over embarrassing emails of a civilian political operative or operatives or even a candidate is beyond stupid.
I almost fell over when I watched McCain essentially lead with that comment.
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01-05-2017, 15:54
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Senator McCain is a dog-gone war hero - nothing he says is without merit.
He is the best damn republican in the entire democratic party.
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01-05-2017, 18:05
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As the Surrenderer in Chief he should know what an act of war is. He had a sideline seat to one for 6 years.
So exposing the truth is an Act of War. Hhmmm. Who'd of thunk?
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01-05-2017, 18:13
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As the Surrenderer in Chief he should know what an act of war is. He had a sideline seat to one for 6 years.
So exposing the truth is an Act of War. Hhmmm. Who'd of thunk?
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It is when your candidate doesn't win and the only thing left is excuses and blame game. The world knows how he feels about Trump.
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01-05-2017, 19:09
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No.
It's not an act of war.
If it is, we are at war with most of our NATO allies, Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Canada, Mexico, Luxembourg.... etc.
If you think we haven't hacked them, you're not paying attention. This is about a reality TV star turned politician insulting him publicly, and his response to it.
Hacking is espionage, conducted by everyone with a keyboard and an internet connection. He knows this isn't true, just throwing more sand in the gears.
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01-05-2017, 20:42
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Yeah...after all, we don't hack other governments and our alleged allies don't attempt to hack us! 
McCain will say just about anything to stay relevant! It's time for him to go to pasture and fade into the sunset.
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01-05-2017, 21:19
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If hacking is an act of war does that mean our own government has declared war on its own citizens? I sure as hell haven't given them permission to collect my phone calls and emails under the guise of national security.
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01-05-2017, 21:20
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I recall seeing a chart somewhere that showed various acts that constitute war or not. Cyber attacks were in the grey area, however some were considered an act of war, shutting down an electrical grid for instance was considered an act of war.
Hacking? YGTBSM!!
I'll try to find this chart and post it but I mention it because I know someone here has seen the same thing.
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01-05-2017, 21:22
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Boy, if hacking is such an evil thing to do to an enemy, I'm glad the NSA isn't trying to hack other countries.
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01-05-2017, 21:31
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So this is just about the right place to say this.
Anyone else find it interesting that Trump has pretty much called the intelligence community ignorant and ineffective and the two most ignorant people in the community - Clapper and Brennen - are having a conniption over being called out for years of intelligence failures?
I have little doubt as to the truth behind the facts that Russia as a state agency did not use former KGB tactics to "hack" anyone's secure government server * anymore than a basement dwelling 41 (see I reversed 14) year old living with his parents playing with his Wii (wee).
* oh yeah, it wasn't a secure government server that got "phished" by clicking on a hyperlink.
I'd really like to see the spin doctors at DIA explaining how Podestas iPhone and Chillaries' private server were not the targets of countless rogue basement dwelling hackers the world over. 
Oh and yes the " Honorable" John McStain (Maverick) is an idiot. It's no wonder he lost the 2008 campaign to a community organizer.
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01-05-2017, 22:24
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Oh and yes the "Honorable" John McStain (Maverick) is an idiot. It's no wonder he lost the 2008 campaign to a community organizer.
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The candidate McCain wanted to win in 2008, won.
Otherwise, he would have campaigned like he actually wanted to be elected.
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01-05-2017, 22:56
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The candidate McCain wanted to win in 2008, won.
Otherwise, he would have campaigned like he actually wanted to be elected.
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Touché
The Maverick McCain plays both sides of the political aisle like a transgendered hermaphrodite uses the bathroom of their choice - whichever one that is.
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01-06-2017, 04:28
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Originally Posted by scooter
No.
It's not an act of war.
If it is, we are at war with most of our NATO allies, Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Canada, Mexico, Luxembourg.... etc.
If you think we haven't hacked them, you're not paying attention. This is about a reality TV star turned politician insulting him publicly, and his response to it.
Hacking is espionage, conducted by everyone with a keyboard and an internet connection. He knows this isn't true, just throwing more sand in the gears.
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According to 18 U.S. Code § 2331 an Act of War requires either a declartion of war by a soverign state or direct Armed Conflict (read kinetic). Clear as mud? What concerns me is the Chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee doesn't know the differnce.
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