MARSOC

Utah Bob · 06-19-2015, 16:21

**PRB** · 06-19-2015, 16:51

Nothing wrong with a little history.....

**The Reaper** · 06-19-2015, 18:06

Why would you invite a unit that calls themselves "Raiders" to come do FID, HA, or any other non-DA activity in your country?

Maybe they should send them to Oakland?

TR

Beef · 06-19-2015, 19:18

Yeah, this has been discussed for a while, as the article points out. While I do really appreciate the lineage/history angle, the new name doesn't reflect the complete mission statement and purpose of MARSOC. As TR said, it'll be hard to sell a host country a unit with that name for those missions. Unfortunately, it's largely a PR move using a new name "that jumps off the page." A very honored and revered name, but not quietly professional.

Flagg · 06-19-2015, 20:00

Presley O'Bannon, Peter Ortiz, William Eddy, and CAP Marines were all unconventional or less conventional Marines who all were not Marine Raiders.

To me it seems like a a cool but "square" sounding name in service history/legacy that is being smashed into a less conventional and proximate "round" hole.

Golf1echo · 06-19-2015, 21:27

The " Skull lives" interesting lineage, not so different from the Rangers historical connection, I did not know the Raider story.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/stor...ders/13669447/
The Southern Cross on their patch tells a story in itself.

**Team Sergeant** · 06-20-2015, 00:01

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Originally Posted by Golf1echo

The " Skull lives" interesting lineage, not so different from the Rangers historical connection, I did not know the Raider story.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/stor...ders/13669447/
The Southern Cross on their patch tells a story in itself.

That first photo has digital equipment in it. I was not aware that the marines had anyone with an IQ high enough to support that type of equipment?

When I first applied to the military I had half a mind to become a marine, and the recruiter said that's all I needed!

JJ_BPK · 06-20-2015, 05:05

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Originally Posted by Beef

Unfortunately,
it's largely a PR move using a new name "that jumps off the page."

A very honored and revered name,
but NOT quietly professional.

Exactly..

Golf1echo · 06-20-2015, 05:33

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

That first photo has digital equipment in it. I was not aware that the marines had anyone with an IQ high enough to support that type of equipment?

When I first applied to the military I had half a mind to become a marine, and the recruiter said that's all I needed!

Ah yes the the Marine mystique. Some of their guys were very good to us. They wanted simple and very light minimalist pieces, I got the impression they were very busy and productive.

Richard · 06-20-2015, 07:18

I always equated the Raider units to being more like the Force Recon Bns and always wondered why they didn't name the FRBs "Raider Bns".

When it comes to heritage and SSI, it can be a tricky maze to walk through amongst the commands and the heraldry ffolkes. For example, in the 4th Abn Tng Bn and 1-507th PIR, we wore the USAIS SSI 'officially' but wore the historical link to the original Airborne School in the form of their Airborne Command SSI as a unit 'badge' on our training uniform (PT shorts and wind breakers). We tried to get it as our SSI, but the 'pushback' was strong from the commands (USAIS and TRADOC) and eventually wound up wearing the 199th Light Inf Bde SSI for a number of years (which royally pissed off the airborne community because the 199th LIB had no connection to its legacy) until returning to the USAIS SSI being worn today.

I wonder if the USMC will ever go to a FWS SSI enamel badge to wear on their dress uniforms like the ones the Army now wears on theirs.

Richard

Beef · 06-20-2015, 07:51

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

That first photo has digital equipment in it. I was not aware that the marines had anyone with an IQ high enough to support that type of equipment?

When I first applied to the military I had half a mind to become a marine, and the recruiter said that's all I needed!

Hey! Would a moderator step in and ban this guy!

Richard · 06-20-2015, 08:11

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

When I first applied to the military I had half a mind to become a marine, and the recruiter said that's all I needed!

When we finished our draft induction physicals, those of us deemed fit enough to serve were taken into a large room where a Marine NCO appeared and called off a list of names from a roster on his clipboard. Those guys left with that NCO and I never saw them again.

Those of us remaining were then confronted by an Army NCO who placed us into a formation, called us to attention, and turned the formation over to an Army Officer who then administerd the oath of allegience before we got on a few buses and traveled to Fort Ord to begin BCT.

I always figured I was selected for the Army because my test scores were too high for the Marines and I had a birth certificate which could identify both of my parents.

Richard

Beef · 06-20-2015, 08:11

The Force Recon Companies' lineage come from the FMF PAC Amphibious Reconnaisance Bn. of WW II. Their job was to do pre-invasion beach reconnaissance. They were and are meant to be used my corps (small c) level commanders. The Recon Bns. of today are descended from the Division Reconaissance companies of WWII and are obviously division level assets.

The Raider and Parachute Bns. of WW II have no descendant units. Over the years, many units have associated themselves loosely with these WW II units by virtue of some similar tasking or training. But there is no real connection or continuity between any existing unit and the WW II.

It's a lot like our Regiment's original shared lineage with the WW II Ranger BNs and the 1st Special Service Force. Our true lineage should be to the OSS, but since that morphed into a non-military organization, the others were chosen.

I do think the patch idea is good, though. It's a cool patch with a great history. It had been worn for several years by MARSOC Marines in original and variant forms. I think that just official use of the patch and retention of the name MARSOC would have been the best scenario.

Beef · 06-20-2015, 08:13

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Originally Posted by Richard

When we finished our draft induction physicals, those of us deemed fit enough to serve were taken into a large room where a Marine NCO appeared and called off a list of names from a roster on his clipboard. Those guys left with that NCO and I never saw them again.

Those of us remaining were then confronted by an Army NCO who placed us into a formation, called us to attention, and turned the formation over to an Army Officer who then administerd the oath of allegience before we got on a few buses and traveled to Fort Ord to begin BCT.

I always figured I was selected for the Army because my test scores were too high for the Marines and I had a birth certificate which could identify both of my parents.

Richard

We've got to lock this thread!! There's a sticky somewhere that specifically prohibits Jar Bashing!!!

**Team Sergeant** · 06-20-2015, 08:20

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Originally Posted by Beef

We've got to lock this thread!! There's a sticky somewhere that specifically prohibits Jar Bashing!!!

I enjoy the sport of Jar Bashing as much as I enjoy clubbing SEALS.....