01-19-2016, 16:01
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This explains a lot about the NY cops......
Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops
A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.
But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.
Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-b...story?id=95836
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01-19-2016, 16:28
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He can't be that smart since he doesn't know you can change your gender.
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01-19-2016, 16:35
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I read a tweet on this @#dumblivesmatter.
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01-19-2016, 18:39
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
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Let's extrapolate this...
Many occupations can get boring.
Employers want a large supply of cheap, fungible labor.
What corporations are all for common core in public schools?
Is public education really about developing each student to their personal best?
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01-19-2016, 19:29
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I would hope that he goes to law school and become the DAY there so they would have to work for him to get the case prosecuted.
Da gummint isa fool o' dummasses...
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01-19-2016, 19:37
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It's a sad day when any occupation would hire a D- student and not the A+ student because he is too smart.
There is no reason that both couldn't end up making an excellent employee.
My dad was rejected for two jobs for being "too educated" for them. He is about to turn 70 and still talks about those two jobs to this day.
The decision makers in those situations were picked on as kids and now are exacting their revenge.
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01-19-2016, 20:57
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Police work boring?......sure some of it is, other stuff requires a huge skill set and intelligence base.
I suppose he can't sue for a dumb policy only a discrimatory one.
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01-19-2016, 21:34
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What does this have to do with NY Cops.  New London Police Department is in Connecticut not NY.
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01-19-2016, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Agoge2
It's a sad day when any occupation would hire a D- student and not the A+ student because he is too smart.
There is no reason that both couldn't end up making an excellent employee.
My dad was rejected for two jobs for being "too educated" for them. He is about to turn 70 and still talks about those two jobs to this day.
The decision makers in those situations were picked on as kids and now are exacting their revenge.
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As a business owner for 30 plus years, I never hired over qualified/educated applicants for any position especially one that required costly training.
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01-19-2016, 22:25
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We are living in what can only be described as "interesting" times.
Too smart to enforce the law while interacting with the populace.
...nothing to see here, move along.
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01-20-2016, 03:21
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As a business owner for 30 plus years, I never hired over qualified/educated applicants for any position especially one that required costly training.
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I've been working for only two years, so I still clearly remember my job search. I didn't care what work I found, as long as I could earn enough to put money into savings and give my wife a comfortable standard of living (I could live with a cot, a mini-fridge, a shower, and an internet connection).
If you, as an employer, can meet my needs, then I would be delighted to work for you. If not, then I wouldn't take the job if you offered me the position. And if you felt that there was a chance I might go looking for greener pastures before you recovered the training costs, then why not put a minimum-obligation clause in the contract? There are companies that do this, and they will sue you for those costs if they have to fire you before that period ends.
What is so bad about an educated/skilled person who is willing to work hard?
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01-20-2016, 04:31
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What is so bad about an educated/skilled person who is willing to work hard?
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The police state is much harder to establish with an educated populace, which would imply that creative and questioning individuals within the ranks are a NG to the future of the country. And then there is that GT score of 110......
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01-20-2016, 08:08
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Given the current anti-police climate that our leadership has fueled, I would think it would give a public service spokesman a great talking point if they had records of hiring high(higher) IQ officers.
The general consensus among the sweaty teaming masses today is that the police is just a bunch of racists white assholes on a power trip. This would be easy to combat if a department(s) could demonstrate hiring practices which enforce hiring the most qualified.
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As a business owner for 30 plus years, I never hired over qualified/educated applicants for any position especially one that required costly training.
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QP WCH - I am curious why you didn't draw a line between the public and private sector with your statement. Is there not some motivation for a police department to attract the MOST qualified individuals as these will be the people tasked with the safety of a lot of sometimes not so intelligent civilians? Should the hiring practices of a public sector employer be intrinsically different than those of a private sector employer?
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01-20-2016, 09:26
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I remember reading about htis several years ago. The department claims people that are to smart get bored and quit. I think they higer ups do not want anyone smart enough to question their bullshit illegal policies.
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What he said ....
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01-20-2016, 09:43
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I remember reading about htis several years ago. The department claims people that are to smart get bored and quit. I think they higher ups do not want anyone smart enough to question their bullshit illegal policies.
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I recently spoke with a current LEO with over twenty-years in the police department of one of the largest cities (Houston) in the country, and that was his primary concern. In his opinion, new officer recruits were not terribly inquisitive and would act on any order given by their superior officers, no questions asked.
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