Just released from the BATFE from the AG

[Sdiver]

248 pages ... This must have been sitting on someones desk for awhile.

https://www.atf.gov/file/100896/download

This final rule was signed by the Attorney General on January 4, 2016. It is effective 180 days after date of publication in the Federal Register. The final rule published in the Federal Register may differ slightly from this version as a result of Federal Register formatting.

So now Barry and the AG can sit around and write their own laws when ever they want to.

This is going to be a loooooong fucking year.

[Dusty]

I'ma hold off judgment on this until I hear what Whoopi has to say about it.

[Flagg]

I've got WAY too much work reading in the queue to digest this.

A brief synopsis for those who've read it would be awesome.

We've got friends and family visiting from the US. A big talking point over dinner was how quite a few folks once removed from me with no previous firearms experience or interest are actively pursuing firearms training and ownership in the US, including a few people a bit left of centre otherwise.

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by Flagg

I've got WAY too much work reading in the queue to digest this.

A brief synopsis for those who've read it would be awesome.

The ATF is trying to require that anyone listed on a trust has to so a background check and submit fingerprints for a firearm transfer....Because firearms in trusts are so often used in violent crime.

Just read the first page...it does not copy and paste well.

[Dusty]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...beneficiaries/

lol Obama's opening up a can or two of worms.

The White House released a fact-sheet* Jan. 4 which previews the executive gun control Obama will unveil Tuesday and one aspect of the new controls is the inclusion of “information from the Social Security Administration in the background check system about beneficiaries who are prohibited from possessing a firearm.”

On July 18 Breitbart News reported on Obama’s push to ban gun-possession for Social Security beneficiaries who are believed incapable of handling their own finances.

At that same time, the Los Angeles Times reported that a ban was being put together “outside of public view,” so all the details were not known. But the Times did know that the ban would cover those who are unable to manage their own affairs for a multitude of reasons–from “subnormal intelligence or mental illness” to “incompetency,” an unspecified “condition,” or “disease.”

The ban pertaining to Social Security beneficiaries is now tucked into the “mental health” aspects of Obama’s executive gun control.

Snip

* lol He said "fact sheet".

[FlagDayNCO]

As I read through this, I think of my buddy that is a Disabled Vet. He has his spouse on board with the VA, "to assist him in managing his appointments", as he put it. He too, will likely fall under the catch-all of not being fully competent to own or possess a firearm.

I believe many here have warned of the implications of the VA, SSA, and general medical laws that are now working in unison to deny Americans of their rights.

The parts about Trusts now requiring CLEO sign-off are the very reason Trusts became popular, as many CLEOs are anti-civilian gun ownership. Even wording that the CLEO must be notified is a red flag, as it only takes the CLEO or a Minion to raise a flag.

Another action in the all out war against the rights of American Citizens.

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

The ATF is trying to require that anyone listed on a trust has to so a background check and submit fingerprints for a firearm transfer....Because firearms in trusts are so often used in violent crime.

Just read the first page...it does not copy and paste well.

Cheers.

Sounds like death(of right) by a thousand cuts.

[Jgood]

Sounds like a good clause to pull guns from "PTSD" veterans and service members

Originally Posted by Dusty

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...beneficiaries/

lol Obama's opening up a can or two of worms.

The White House released a fact-sheet* Jan. 4 which previews the executive gun control Obama will unveil Tuesday and one aspect of the new controls is the inclusion of “information from the Social Security Administration in the background check system about beneficiaries who are prohibited from possessing a firearm.”

On July 18 Breitbart News reported on Obama’s push to ban gun-possession for Social Security beneficiaries who are believed incapable of handling their own finances.

At that same time, the Los Angeles Times reported that a ban was being put together “outside of public view,” so all the details were not known. But the Times did know that the ban would cover those who are unable to manage their own affairs for a multitude of reasons–from “subnormal intelligence or mental illness” to “incompetency,” an unspecified “condition,” or “disease.”

The ban pertaining to Social Security beneficiaries is now tucked into the “mental health” aspects of Obama’s executive gun control.

Snip

* lol He said "fact sheet".

[Old Dog New Trick]

I'll be the first to say that with the exception of unintended consequences, this isn't that bad. For anyone who's ever said maybe if they just enforced the current laws on the books many of the bad things bad people do with guns gotten through illegal or nefarious means the rest of us would be better off.

Now, let's see if the government at state and federal levels will enforce the laws that have been on the books.

Here's the WH digest version. https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016..._campaign=guns

Of course this won't change or stop a single incident of murder with a gun but maybe the suicide numbers will fall and make us look better in the eyes of the world. According to the WH those account for 2/3 of all deaths by firearms. So if we lower the total numbers to reflect capital murder that number is lower than most give credit.

Sucks to be diagnosed with a mental disorder but hey, that's kind of a personal choice to take the benefits and not accept the responsibility.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

...maybe the suicide numbers will fall and make us look better in the eyes of the world. According to the WH those account for 2/3 of all deaths by firearms.

That's just a bookkeeping trick. The "suicide by firearm" column would shift to the "suicide by drugs", "suicide by rope", "suicide by auto exhaust", "suicide by razor blade", "suicide by cop", "suicide by _________" columns. The suicides will happen without much change in the numbers, but another God-given right will be undermined and the Constitution diminished yet again.

Pat

[Old Dog New Trick]

Pat, you're right, the numbers won't change only the methods. Conversely the rate of sidewalk driving homicide/manslaughter by auto will increase 10-fold.

People who want to kill or die will find a way. Some of them are far more effective and traumatic than being shot.

[FlagDayNCO]

It may not appear as much to anyone that does not have a diagnosis, or believe they may never have one, but who really sets the standard? The way it reads and the way many are pointing it out is like this: YOU can have your rights limited with the simple "notification" to a Federal agency.

Remember those questions being raised a few years ago by some health care professionals about firearms ownership in your household? Don't want to answer or tell the health care professional you have a right to not answer, then they simply mark you off as unwilling to answer or to comply with a "reasonable" question. You are now on a path to being unreasonable and maybe unstable.

Do not agree with various changes in the social structure of America today? You may be a racist, you may be homophobic, you may be... get the picture? You are not "normal" in the Progressive / Liberal / Socialist way, and therefore unreasonable.

I've been told by relatives that lived under Communist rule that many dissidents were labeled as mentally unstable. Goes on today in the Communist countries.

The Abysmal Care Act has laid the ground work for more than just health care. As the Communists know, control health care and you control the people. Through the health care providers, our rights are being further diminished.

[Dean Jarvis]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

The ATF is trying to require that anyone listed on a trust has to so a background check and submit fingerprints for a firearm transfer....Because firearms in trusts are so often used in violent crime.

This is all about universal gun registration. They will define a gun dealer as a person that sells even one firearm. The "Trust" loophole is just one way a person could come into ownership of a firearm and the government not know it.

Next step is the ATF will someday knock on your door and if you can't produce the gun's you own, you better have a paper trail showing who you sold it to or off you go to jail.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by FlagDayNCO

It may not appear as much to anyone that does not have a diagnosis, or believe they may never have one, but who really sets the standard? The way it reads and the way many are pointing it out is like this: YOU can have your rights limited with the simple "notification" to a Federal agency.

Remember those questions being raised a few years ago by some health care professionals about firearms ownership in your household? Don't want to answer or tell the health care professional you have a right to not answer, then they simply mark you off as unwilling to answer or to comply with a "reasonable" question. You are now on a path to being unreasonable and maybe unstable.

Do not agree with various changes in the social structure of America today? You may be a racist, you may be homophobic, you may be... get the picture? You are not "normal" in the Progressive / Liberal / Socialist way, and therefore unreasonable.

I've been told by relatives that lived under Communist rule that many dissidents were labeled as mentally unstable. Goes on today in the Communist countries.

The Abysmal Care Act has laid the ground work for more than just health care. As the Communists know, control health care and you control the people. Through the health care providers, our rights are being further diminished.

...control healthcare, control education, control the media...control the message, control the language, "control" the borders, "control" the IRS, control the warrior class...control control control...how many fingers...?

[Hand]

HIPAA LIMITED FOR GUN BACKGROUND CHECKS: The Obama administration's executive actions aimed at gun control Monday included an
amendment of HIPAA to make it easier to report the names of those mentally unfit to buy a gun to the FBI’s background check system.

The idea initially came three years ago in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shootings, but has been languishing. (We covered the issue here).

The 1993 Brady law disqualified certain people from buying guns, including individuals involuntarily committed to mental health care and those found incompetent to stand trial or otherwise deemed to be a danger to themselves or others. But HIPAA prohibited providers from sharing the information with the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The rule, which takes effect next month, changes that. The rule: http://bit.ly/1ZLah0W

— Current law allows HIPAA exclusions for law enforcement purposes, but isn't clearly defined, said Paul Gionfriddo, chief executive of the mental health rights advocate Mental Health America. “That could be a barn door opened quite wide if an administration really wanted to open it, and they didn’t,” Gionfriddo said. “The administration has taken great pains to try to clarify that there is very limited information that would be reported only within a very limited group.” Read the rest of Pro’s coverage here: http://politico.pro/1mBXKya POLITICO’s Sarah Wheaton and Nick Glass have more on Obama’s broader gun-control strategy: http://politi.co/1VBCdSr


Read more: http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/mo...#ixzz3wTU1Zs8t

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