America is officially dead

[Team Sergeant]

America is officially dead.

The United States military has been forced by the left-wing to "look the other way" and now, embrace the sexually deviant.

This now includes child rape by our "allies". And now we (America) decide to punish the defender of the victim.

We've come full circle.

I'm done now, I think I'll throw all that Army shit in the trash, as it stands for nothing.

The liberal/progressive/socialists have won the day.

[miclo18d]

Keep any worthwhile camo and field items, you may still need those!

[Sohei]

After this incident, we, as a nation, should not open our collective mouths about another single country and their human rights violations.

If we turn an eye to their actions and approve of them by punishing those who stood against it, then who are we to tell another country they are wrong.

[Team Sergeant]

As I see it, America, stands for nothing.

Seven years ago I would have said it was not possible to destroy America or its military, I was wrong. We've now destroyed the very heart of the American military, the Special Operations. No honor, no integrity, and we will bow to our islamic/ muslim rapists "allies". Doing the "hard right" is no longer the proper path to take. And that path is being forced from the top down.

I did not see the left-wing liberals embracing islam as they do, embracing the sunni terrorists and giving nuclear tech to a nation that held 53 American hostages for 444 days. Those 444 days were the beginning of the end, America's bowing to our islamic masters.

I do not see a bright future for this nations young men and women. This is not the America I grew up in.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I do not see a bright future for this nations young men and women. This is not the America I grew up in.

Me either.

HEADLINE: Missouri 11-year-old fatally shoots 16-year-old intruder

The 11-year-old's mother was being interviewed by investigators. St. Louis County police spokesman Sgt. Brian Schellman described her as cooperative with the investigation.

Fox2Now reported that police want to know why the children were home alone and why the 11-year-old had access to a gun. Police believe the mother bought the gun after prior break-in attempts

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/04...-old-intruder/


My Mom had to leave for work an hour before school, by age 10 I was making my own breakfast, walking to school, working 8 hours a day during the summer and driving equipment. Today my Mom would be charged with Child Endangerment and I would be scooped up by CPS.

[blacksmoke]

I don't think it's over quite yet. I think we are in for more transformation, as people keep turing against the Christian-Judeo ideals to the point where we are being persecuted, not just thrown in jail for not following rules directly against our deepest helf beliefs, but actually publicly persecuted. I just want to know, when this is all over, what territory do we claim? I'm guessing the midwest-central mountain region.

[Five-O]

So, to you SF soldiers, past and present. I would wager a paycheck or 12 that during your Robin Sage exercise, maybe just maybe, a soldier or two has been presented with a scenario very similar to the one in which TS (et all) is flabbergasted. I would imagine the student would be presented a scenario in which a "friendly" foreign national has committed what by any standard is a crime. Or that a "friendly" foreign national has done something that is morally or ethically questionable. Cadre watch and evaluate the student(s) reaction, thought process, decision making, tact and other behaviors.

Based on what information has been made public, I would argue if the Army felt compelled to act, a Letter of Reprimand (at most) be issued or some other form of minimal non-permanent disciplinary action be issued. Given the fact this SF NCO has been removed from service, what message does this send to other guys in the field and how will this incident be officially related to SF soldiers by leadership ? How with this event be portrayed to SF candidates as I am sure this will be talked about in the pipeline and how will this effect the force. If your boss is standing in front of you, towing the company line, telling you that the NCO in question deserved what happened to him how do you react to that? I would likely get myself jammed up....

ODA's should have as an attachment.... an LE guy who has experience writing and articulating use of force encounters so all the pre attack indicators can clearly explain a legal and justified use of force.

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Me either.

HEADLINE: Missouri 11-year-old fatally shoots 16-year-old intruder

Fox2Now reported that police want to know why the children were home alone and why the 11-year-old had access to a gun. Police believe the mother bought the gun after prior break-in attempts .

In Texas, it is an affirmative defense to prosecution of making a firearm accessible to a child (younger than 17-years of age) that the child's access to the firearm 'consisted of lawful defense by the child of people or property.' So, instead of focusing on why the kid had access (and further traumatizing the family), the first determination would be whether or not the use of deadly force was justified. If so, then then the question of 'why' the child had access becomes irrelevant.

[Box]

This nations collective conscience is in a hot air balloon, headed out to sea. Weak and unsure of itself.

It makes me think of the closing moments of "Kill Bill" when Bill is talking about Superheros...

...a staple of the superhero mythology is, there's the superhero and there's the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When that character wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic Superman stands alone. Superman didn't become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent. He's weak... he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race.

...and Superman came to America to do his work, to fight "The never ending battle for truth, justice, and the American way."


"Truth, Justice, and the American way" - it sounds great as a tag line for a comic book. It has become an offensive insult if we are to believe the aMErican limousine liberal ideology.

"The American Way"...

wow
just, wow

[Dame]

Originally Posted by blacksmoke

I don't think it's over quite yet. I think we are in for more transformation, as people keep turing against the Christian-Judeo ideals to the point where we are being persecuted, not just thrown in jail for not following rules directly against our deepest helf beliefs, but actually publicly persecuted. I just want to know, when this is all over, what territory do we claim? I'm guessing the midwest-central mountain region.

No firearm registration in Nevada. Anywhere. Handguns included.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Five-O

So, to you SF soldiers, past and present. I would wager a paycheck or 12 that during your Robin Sage exercise, maybe just maybe, a soldier or two has been presented with a scenario very similar to the one in which TS (et all) is flabbergasted. I would imagine the student would be presented a scenario in which a "friendly" foreign national has committed what by any standard is a crime. Or that a "friendly" foreign national has done something that is morally or ethically questionable. Cadre watch and evaluate the student(s) reaction, thought process, decision making, tact and other behaviors.

Based on what information has been made public, I would argue if the Army felt compelled to act, a Letter of Reprimand (at most) be issued or some other form of minimal non-permanent disciplinary action be issued. Given the fact this SF NCO has been removed from service, what message does this send to other guys in the field and how will this incident be officially related to SF soldiers by leadership ? How with this event be portrayed to SF candidates as I am sure this will be talked about in the pipeline and how will this effect the force. If your boss is standing in front of you, towing the company line, telling you that the NCO in question deserved what happened to him how do you react to that? I would likely get myself jammed up....

ODA's should have as an attachment.... an LE guy who has experience writing and articulating use of force encounters so all the pre attack indicators can clearly explain a legal and justified use of force.

That is an excellent question and yes those types of events are presented and evaluated throughout the Q-Course. I will not go into the details beyond pass/fail, but know that getting or giving an ass chewing and an azimuth correction is expected.

The problem here in regards to SFC Martland and CPT Quinn, is that it got to this level and no one (with the authority to fix it) is stepping in to correct it. A GOMOR or other non-judicial punishment should not normally terminate your career.

IMHO and as we continue to go down the rabbit hole of persecuting people for minor lapses in sound judgment and due diligence we will create the atmosphere where either doing nothing or doing the extreme is the norm.

If the rule of law is predicated on good moral character. Once we strip those bare of meaning the rules change - there are no rules!

[1stindoor]

Here's a glaring example of where we're headed. Five minutes you'll never get back, but still somewhat entertaining.

UC Irvine student: American flag represents hate speech

http://video.foxnews.com/v/446242795...#sp=show-clips

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

This nations collective conscience is in a hot air balloon, headed out to sea. Weak and unsure of itself.

It makes me think of the closing moments of "Kill Bill" when Bill is talking about Superheros...





...and Superman came to America to do his work, to fight "The never ending battle for truth, justice, and the American way."


"Truth, Justice, and the American way" - it sounds great as a tag line for a comic book. It has become an offensive insult if we are to believe the aMErican limousine liberal ideology.

"The American Way"...

wow
just, wow

Very interstink, very interestink! I have never heard that analysis of Superman and the analogy to American culture. Need to noodle on it a bit, but there is a ring of truth to the analogy.

But, I still like Batman better.

[Sdiver]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

Very interstink, very interestink! I have never heard that analysis of Superman and the analogy to American culture. Need to noodle on it a bit, but there is a ring of truth to the analogy.

But, I still like Batman better.

I used to be a big believer in the Caped Crusader too, but then I took a hard look at Tony Stark.

He doesn't have to hide behind an "alter ego" ...

He stands up proudly and says "Fuck It ... I Am Iron Man !!!"

[LarryW]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

America is officially dead.

The United States military has been forced by the left-wing to "look the other way" and now, embrace the sexually deviant.

This now includes child rape by our "allies". And now we (America) decide to punish the defender of the victim.

We've come full circle.

I'm done now, I think I'll throw all that Army shit in the trash, as it stands for nothing.

The liberal/progressive/socialists have won the day.

Keep your stuff out of the trash, mate. It's more about what y'all stood for and stand for anyway. Besides, the world's not done with freedom, and all that gear is going to come in handy. Give 'em the finger but keep your hand on the throttle and your eye on the rail. JMHO, sir.