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Old 03-22-2015, 17:03   #1
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Ted Cruz 2016

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...sidential-bid/

Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz is expected to announce on Monday he will run for president in 2016 -- making him the first candidate to formally enter the race, Fox News confirms. *

Cruz is expected to make the announcement during a speech at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va.

He is expected to start his campaign immediately rather than launch an exploratory committee, which many do as a precursor to a campaign. The move, some say, is expected to send a strong signal that his is ready to run.

Other candidates who have been rumored to run for the GOP nomination include former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker; Florida Sen. Marco Rubio; and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.

Following the announcement, Cruz is slated to speak with Fox News’ Sean Hannity in an exclusive interview.

Cruz, 44, who has made headlines for his conservative stance on immigration, has gone after other Republicans for their more moderate views. *

In recent weeks, Cruz has already come under fire over his own citizenship. Two former Justice Department lawyers*said last week*there is no doubt the Canadian-born senator is eligible to run for the White House.

"There is no question that Senator Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a 'natural born Citizen' within the meaning of the Constitution," Neal Katyal, acting solicitor general in the Obama administration, and Paul Clemente, solicitor general in the President George W. Bush administration, wrote in a joint article.

Anti-Cruz "birthers" challenged his citizenship status because he was born in Canada. However, two years ago, Cruz released his birth certificate showing his mother was a U.S. citizen born in Delaware, presumably satisfying the requirements for presidential eligibility as a "natural born citizen."

Last month, Cruz addressed the citizenship issue during a question-and-answer session with moderator Hannity at the Conservative Political Action Conference. *“I was born in Calgary. My mother was an American citizen by birth,” Cruz said. *“Under federal law, that made me an American citizen by birth. The Constitution requires that you be a natural-born citizen.”

With a little more than a year and half to go before the 2016 election, speculation is heating up that several presidential contenders will soon officially throw their hats into the ring. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who enjoys a wide lead among potential Democratic candidates despite the recent uproar over her use of a personal email account while leading the State Department, is expected to announce her candidacy next month.
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Old 03-23-2015, 06:19   #2
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Not all that to fired up over him. But at least he'll, or whoever gets the repub nomination will get my vote.

We have to get rid of democratic scum....

Hey, ay least HE gave up his birth certificate, already one up over who we have now...
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Old 03-23-2015, 06:27   #3
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The repub will get my vote. If I had my choice, I like Ryan for the job. We need a fiscal hawk in there. Cruz is a decent choice if it weren't for his stance on illegals. He's pro-immigration/amnesty. I just can't see a case where that is good for the country. I get that there are a bunch of tough choices that will have to be made. Just waving a wand and saying "poof, you're legal" is NOT the answer.

The biggest issue for any candidate will be working with the dems to get anything done after being elected.

I see our government as a child's swing. It keeps going higher and higher with every push. At some point it's going to go over the top and come crashing down.
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Old 03-23-2015, 06:54   #4
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I'd like to see Montgomery Brewster step in and run a "None of the Above" campaign.


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The biggest issue for any candidate will be working with the dems to get anything done after being elected.
I'd actually prefer a near continuous state of federal gridlock. As long as the states can do state business, gridlock will keep the fed's from fucking things up on a national scale.
GRID-LOCK...
GRID-LOCK...
GRID-LOCK...
HOORAY !!!

The last 10 years have made me so disenfranchised with the idea that there are any altruistic politicians worthy of the title "leader" that I really just don't see my self getting excited over ANY of the candidates. At best I can use the term 'elected representatives' during conversation, but even that leaves a bad taste.

...so starts the presidential campaign season, hooray for us
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Old 03-23-2015, 07:05   #5
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Old 03-23-2015, 07:32   #6
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Sen. Cruz is the best thing the GOP has going right now.
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Old 03-23-2015, 07:47   #7
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Cruz is a good start but I prefer Governor Walker at this point.

I would never worry about having the ability to work with the dims, they never seem to be concerned about working with the republicans. Dittos on the "Grid-Lock" comment.
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Old 03-23-2015, 09:34   #8
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The GOP is so far behind the dems/socialists in their thinking....... only the dems/socialists could add 20 million new socialist voters with one swipe of the pen and call it legal. The GOP didn't even put up a fight.

We hit peak capitalism right after Bill Clinton, socialism is the new capitalism.

The GOP is walking dead and it's not even a theory anymore.

"For English press 4"..............

I'll be fishing.
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Old 03-23-2015, 11:45   #9
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It was my understanding that in order to be considered a "natural born" citizen, both parents needed to be citizens of the U.S. That had always been the understanding up until the Usurper-in-Chief, who was never vetted by Puglosi.

There is a danger here that an awful precedent was set by obungler, and it is just being reinforced by the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, et al.

My comment on Freedom Force 10 days ago:

Sorry, but Cruz should not be in Iowa! He is not a natural-born citizen, and should d@mn well know that he is NOT eligible to run for the presidency of the U.S. He talks a good game; but if he were REALLY concerned about the United States and our Constitution, he would not be playing "the running game". He would be supporting constitutionalist contenders (or finding them) who WOULD be eligible to run for president of the U.S.

(I don't think Jindal [or Rubio are] eligible to run either. None of them should be "in the running". Or are we just going to accept what happened with the Usurper-in-Chief, duplicate the Left's thumbing their nose at the U.S. Constitution, and erase this very important aspect of who - or what - should be eligible to be a U.S. president without an amendment, without a vote, and without a whimper?)

Here is where I took my information from:
http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm
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Old 03-23-2015, 12:11   #10
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It was my understanding that in order to be considered a "natural born" citizen, both parents needed to be citizens of the U.S.
Stobey, according to the U.S. State Department Web site, you are mistaken:

"A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship."

Reference: http://travel.state.gov/content/trav...rn-abroad.html
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Old 03-23-2015, 12:28   #11
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Old 03-23-2015, 12:52   #12
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Ted Cruz is a fine man with fine ideas but unfortunately he will be eaten alive from within by the GOP because of his tea party association. We do not attract the finest candidates for the position and, when we come close, they rightfully become disillusioned by the process. We would be very fortunate to have Ben Carson or Mike Huckabee as President - never happen.

At least Cruz and Rubio have the intelligence to hold their own in any debate. The unions are already locked and loaded for Scott Walker.

It'll be great theater as long as we still have a functioning grid that allows us to watch it; it's even money whether we will or won't because of a cyber attack or EMP prior to departure of the Obama administration.
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Old 03-23-2015, 18:53   #13
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We either get candidates who seem too far right-wing,......
Name the right wing candidate that won the republican primary in the last 20 years.

Romney?

McCain?

Bush?

Bush the First?

All I see above is right wing disappointment and a lot of "...candidates who seem wishy-washy, unable to defend conservatism, and strike people as the Good 'Ole Boy Establishment boring old white guys and basically just as Democratic party-lite..."
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Old 03-23-2015, 19:20   #14
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[QUOTE=trinity;578908]Stobey, according to the U.S. State Department Web site, you are mistaken:

"A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship."

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U.S. citizenship and Natural Born Citizenship are two entirely different things. And personally, I couldn't give a rat's ass less what the State Dept. has to say in the matter. Most of those idiots seem to think that they represent the country to which they are assigned and not the United States.

Under the article reference below:
http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm

"St. George Tucker, the editor, says this in a footnote:

Persons naturalized according to these acts, are entitled to all the rights of natural born citizens, except, first, that they cannot be elected as representatives in congress until seven years, thereafter. Secondly, nor can they be elected senators of the United States, until nine years thereafter. Thirdly, they are forever incapable of being chosen to the office of president of the United States. Persons naturalized before the adoption of the constitution, it is presumed, have all the capacities of natural born citizens. See C. U. S. Art. 1, 2."
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"On July 25, 1787, John Jay wrote to George Washington, presiding officer of the Convention:

Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.
There is no proof that deliberations took place at the convention on the subject of the letter. While the Committee on Detail originally proposed that the President must be merely a citizen as well as a resident for 21 years, the Committee of Eleven changed "citizen" to "natural born citizen" without explanation. The Convention accepted the change without further debate."

"It was also touched upon in Luria v. United States, 231 U.S. 9 (1913):

Under our Constitution, a naturalized citizen stands on an equal footing with the native citizen in all respects save that of eligibility to the Presidency."
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"TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
These first two correspond to "natural born". The rest are all "naturalized by statute".
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"U.S. statutes today may confer the rights and privileges of the natural born on someone, but that does not make them natural born, nor can the privileges extend to eligibility for public office that specifies the candidate be natural born."

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There appears to be much legalese gobbledygook around this issue; but unfortunately, it would appear that our Founding Fathers were not as specific as they should have been - particularly with regard as to just who is eligible to become president of the U.S. However, they seemed to make clear that what was not wanted was anyone who might have reason to have divided loyalties, i.e. one who was not completely loyal to the United States of America, its citizens, or its Constitution.
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Sorry if, in the above post, I might have used magenta where it may mean something else. It is one color that stands out and that I can see clearly.
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