06-06-2014, 20:34
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Phoenix VA salaries
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06-06-2014, 21:10
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Damn...... I need to work for the VA.
Where do I send the paperwork?
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06-07-2014, 13:16
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Damn...... I need to work for the VA.
Where do I send the paperwork?
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If you have an MD, a board certified specialty, and ten or twenty years of experience, and will still work for what the VA is paying, each VA hires their own physicians, IIRC.
Do you have any idea what good surgeons in your hometown make?
A good Chief of Orthopedics at a normal mid-sized hospital is probably in the $500K-$1M range.
The VA does not get the best docs, because their pay is significantly lower, hence the number of foreign born physicians working in the VA system.
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06-07-2014, 20:52
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
If you have an MD, a board certified specialty, and ten or twenty years of experience, and will still work for what the VA is paying, each VA hires their own physicians, IIRC.
Do you have any idea what good surgeons in your hometown make?
A good Chief of Orthopedics at a normal mid-sized hospital is probably in the $500K-$1M range.
The VA does not get the best docs, because their pay is significantly lower, hence the number of foreign born physicians working in the VA system.
TR
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What is wrong with foreign born docs?
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06-07-2014, 21:30
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What is wrong with foreign born docs?
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What's wrong with American born docs? 
In Los Angeles, I had a dermatologist and several nurses that I had no idea what they were asking me. In an ER, I would think might just be a bit of a problem.
I also had a female Dentist that was born and raised in Iran, and it was absolutely no problem. She could interpret my screams just fine. 
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06-07-2014, 21:58
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Are these folks physicians or administrators?
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06-07-2014, 22:30
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What is wrong with foreign born docs?
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Why not use American docs, in America, to treat American vets?
Of the three foreign born physicians I have had with the VA, two were Chinese who were having serious issues with English, and the other is a Filipino who is pretty fluent.
None of them were licensed or credentialed to practice medicine in the State of NC. The could not write scripts outside the VA system, nor treat any patients other than VA in the VA hospital.
The high salaries were, I suspect, the physicians. Likely senior specialty surgeons.
TR
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06-07-2014, 23:11
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Yup, Doc's....I just typed the first guys name in a search Phoenix area Doctor.
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06-08-2014, 10:45
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I posted this link in another thread because I was told they were all administrative positions. A little searching shows that they are all physicians.
That aside, I want to know how many are licensed to practice OUTSIDE the VA (foreign born or not). I read some comments on another forum made by a physician that stated he knew many had been denied practice in other institutions only to be employed by the VA. He further stated he knew of two specifically that were let go because the hospitals they were at deemed them a liability. He was asked by the VA about these two individuals only to say that he DID NOT recommend them yet they were hired anyway.
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06-08-2014, 13:12
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Why not use American docs, in America, to treat American vets?
Of the three foreign born physicians I have had with the VA, two were Chinese who were having serious issues with English, and the other is a Filipino who is pretty fluent.
None of them were licensed or credentialed to practice medicine in the State of NC. The could not write scripts outside the VA system, nor treat any patients other than VA in the VA hospital.
The high salaries were, I suspect, the physicians. Likely senior specialty surgeons.
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I chose my doctors by their medical qualifications, not by their country of origin.
A very talented Mexican born/educated doctor performed my open heart surgery last summer. Comparing experiences/results with two neighbors who had American born doctors...I mine was far better.
While recovering in the heart hospital, I received better care from 3 Filipino nurses, than I did from any of my American born nurses. All were good, but the Filipinas were the best.
My primary care MD (NY born) doesn't go to hospitals. The Hospitalist he had look after me was born in India. He amazed me with his knowledge of my medical history, and his attention to my condition, and the care I was receiving.
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06-08-2014, 17:17
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I chose my doctors by their medical qualifications, not by their country of origin.
A very talented Mexican born/educated doctor performed my open heart surgery last summer. Comparing experiences/results with two neighbors who had American born doctors...I mine was far better.
While recovering in the heart hospital, I received better care from 3 Filipino nurses, than I did from any of my American born nurses. All were good, but the Filipinas were the best.
My primary care MD (NY born) doesn't go to hospitals. The Hospitalist he had look after me was born in India. He amazed me with his knowledge of my medical history, and his attention to my condition, and the care I was receiving.
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Congratulations.
Was this in a VA hospital, by any chance?
TR
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06-08-2014, 18:02
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Congratulations.
Was this in a VA hospital, by any chance?
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No, civilian. I definitely don't believe that doctors who have trouble communicating in English shouldn't be practicing in hospitals.
I was treated (8 stitches in a finger) in an immediate care care clinic by a Chinese doctor whose was a bit hard for me to understand (I wear hearing aids), he did a great job (2 years later I can't see the scar) his medical credentials were top shelf, (Duke, John's Hopkins, interned at a major trauma center, board certified in emergency medicine) far more than I would have expected in a store front clinic.
Today many American born doctors have gone to off-shore medical schools, because they can't qualify for US Med Schools.
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06-08-2014, 19:10
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No, civilian. I definitely don't believe that doctors who have trouble communicating in English shouldn't be practicing in hospitals.
I was treated (8 stitches in a finger) in an immediate care care clinic by a Chinese doctor whose was a bit hard for me to understand (I wear hearing aids), he did a great job (2 years later I can't see the scar) his medical credentials were top shelf, (Duke, John's Hopkins, interned at a major trauma center, board certified in emergency medicine) far more than I would have expected in a store front clinic.
Today many American born doctors have gone to off-shore medical schools, because they can't qualify for US Med Schools.
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Are medical services just more jobs that "Americans won't do"?
BTW, I sliced off the pad of my left index finger (from about the first quarter, nearest the cuticle, of the nail forward to the tip) about 20 years ago. The Urgent Care doc reattached it with Steri-Strips. It took about a year to get feeling back in it, but I also can not see the scar. Not much communication was really needed since the type of wound and course of action were obvious.
Pat
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06-09-2014, 07:43
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Ah, no.
Foreign doctors are essential for meeting the demand for all types of physicians in the U.S., which has been experiencing a doctor shortage for quite some time.
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American kids are too busy getting degrees in Ethnic Studies.
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06-09-2014, 08:02
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American kids are too busy getting degrees in Ethnic Studies.
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or Art History, Philosophy , Music Therapy (yes, that's a major), communications, dance, English Lit, Latin, Film and American studies.
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