12-10-2013, 20:56
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Things are starting to get interesting.
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12-10-2013, 22:12
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Have you read Mark Levins book?
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12-10-2013, 22:40
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Scroll down after opening the link; its a jump ball with regard to how states would vote if a constitutional convention was convened, it might very impact amendments and what we consider basic unalienable rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...in_U.S._states
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12-10-2013, 23:00
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The percentage of state legislatures that need to pass an amendment is pretty high. We aren't going to see gun rights abolished or set up a king. What you may see passed are congressional term limits, strengthening of the 10th (maaaaybe), a change to tenure on SCOTUS justices, or re-establishing state legislature election for Senators. No purely partisan issue stands a chance being ratified by enough States.
As designed.
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12-10-2013, 23:04
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Originally Posted by Max_Tab
Have you read Mark Levins book?
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I have!
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ad.php?t=44154
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12-10-2013, 23:18
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If you could only pick one amendment to add what would it be?
Mine would term limits. That would take care of so many problems up there, and get rid of the elitest "ruling class", career politicians.
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12-10-2013, 23:24
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If you could only pick one amendment to add what would it be?
Mine would term limits. That would take care of so many problems up there, and get rid of the elitest "ruling class", career politicians.
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I'd go with the repeal of the 17th Amendment. That would give some power back to the states. Arizona would not have McCain and Flake or, as Tucsonan Linda Ronstadt would say, sort of, they would have been "reined in" at least.
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12-10-2013, 23:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_Tab
If you could only pick one amendment to add what would it be?
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An amendment prohibiting the federal government from:
-imposing any fine
-seizing any property of any form
-compelling or restricting the buying or selling of any good or service
-imposing any tax or fee except a tax on the several state governments, in proportion to the number of representatives each state has in the house
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12-11-2013, 00:13
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I'd go with the repeal of the 17th Amendment. That would give some power back to the states. Arizona would not have McCain and Flake or, as Tucsonan Linda Ronstadt would say, sort of, they would have been "reined in" at least.
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I second.
The flow of power from the States to the Federal Government began in earnest with the 17th.
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12-11-2013, 09:46
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We could get something bad out of the convention, but the chances of 3/4s of the States ratifying something bad is almost nil.
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12-11-2013, 10:05
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Well we have to do something. This would beat the alternative, or delay it, or hasten it. I don't know which.
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12-11-2013, 10:11
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IMO, a Constitutional convention could be too dangerous right now. We could get something really bad out of it.
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Levin is NOT calling for a Constitutional Convention. They are two totally different things. The provision for the states to gather together to amend the constitution was specifically added to Article Five because the founders foresaw the events that we are facing today.
Now is not only the time for an Article Five Convention of the states, it may be the last time for one before all power is wrested from the states.
Pat
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12-11-2013, 11:30
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What we need to do is enforce the Constitution as it is written and quit letting politicians violate it without recourse.
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True that.
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12-11-2013, 12:48
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I am torn between repeal of the 16th & 17th Amendments and instituting a balanced budget amendment and a term limit amendment, all of which are necessary IMO. But if I had to choose one - it would be the 17th.
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12-11-2013, 13:53
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