Army Bans High-Performance Rifle Mags

[JJ_BPK]

Lucy,, Pls splain this??

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...tml?ESRC=eb.nl

Does anyone want to get rid of their Pmags??


Who has the market lock on tin mags??

[Destrier]

So, let me get this straight. Bad magazines being about 95% of all weapons malfunctions. Lets ban an item that reduces risk?

I imagine we need to look to 'what' Senator has an aluminum magazine factory in their district.

um, if we do not import them from some third world nation.

-cough- either that or PMAG forgot to donate to the Obama campaign

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Destrier

-cough- either that or PMAG forgot to donate to the Obama campaign

BINGO..

[tunanut]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

BINGO..

Or god forbid, they donated to the "other" guy.

[Surgicalcric]

Or its NATICKS way of getting rid of the competition...

[MVP]

Brownells advertises that they supply magazines to the military. They are located in Iowa. Iowa has Harking - D, and Grassley - R for senators. In congress they have three Dems (Braley, Loebsack, Boswell) and two repubs (Latham and King). Loebsack is on the Armed Service Committee.

MVP

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

BINGO..

Exactly my thoughts also..........

Big Teddy

[MtnGoat]

Well I guess people best start redoing the DSOR list.. We have 3 x basic loads per man of PMAGs. One set on level one (body) one set in Go Bags and one empty back at A-Camp.

You do the math, Army best start shipping boxes out to every unit going to the box. There are a shit ton of Conventional units using PMAGs.

I'm going to find this safety message and then request three boxes of new style M4 5.56 mm come Tuesday. That is 300 mags to cover of ODA. My unit will be WTF are you thinking.. Hey we have these PMAG and going to war, so we need someone to back stop us if "something should happen".

I know the great “Units are only authorized to use the Army-authorized magazines listed in the technical manuals.” Well rewrite the TMs!!! You can do that dummies.

This is politics at the highest example!! Remember.. free trade. Just not in my Army.

I think PMAG should donate to Mitts campaign then!!

[Stras]

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

Well I guess people best start redoing the DSOR list.. We have 3 x basic loads per man of PMAGs. One set on level one (body) one set in Go Bags and one empty back at A-Camp.

You do the math, Army best start shipping boxes out to every unit going to the box. There are a shit ton of Conventional units using PMAGs.

I'm going to find this safety message and then request three boxes of new style M4 5.56 mm come Tuesday. That is 300 mags to cover of ODA. My unit will be WTF are you thinking.. Hey we have these PMAG and going to war, so we need someone to back stop us if "something should happen".

I know the great “Units are only authorized to use the Army-authorized magazines listed in the technical manuals.” Well rewrite the TMs!!! You can do that dummies.

This is politics at the highest example!! Remember.. free trade. Just not in my Army.

I think PMAG should donate to Mitts campaign then!!

Bingo.... same thing with us... except slower supply lines overseas...

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

This is politics at the highest example!! Remember.. free trade. Just not in my Army.

Someone whispered to someone else they were worried their company wouldn't get the Option-Year executed in the delivery order due to lack of need.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Destrier

So, let me get this straight. Bad magazines being about 95% of all weapons malfunctions. Lets ban an item that reduces risk?

I imagine we need to look to 'what' Senator has an aluminum magazine factory in their district.

um, if we do not import them from some third world nation.

-cough- either that or PMAG forgot to donate to the Obama campaign

You've got that right..........

Big Teddy

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by MVP

Brownells advertises that they supply magazines to the military. They are located in Iowa.MVP

Yup, the little town of Montezuma. Believe they had a contract from July 2009 for 1.4 million; ostensibly with some redesigned follower also that replaced the green one.

LINK

Recent contract award announcements indicate that U.S. Army warfighters will soon begin receiving new “improved” 30 round magazines for their M4/M16 series weapons.

According to the July 20 [2010] announcement by the U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM) contracting office in Rock Island, Ill., the government intends to issue a sole source award to Brownells Inc., of Montezuma, Iowa, for 550,000 of that company’s 30 Round Improved Magazines (assigned National Stock Number: 1005-01-561-7200). The award will be made as a modification to that company’s existing contract W52H09-09-C-0072.

Doing the math indeed.

[XavierR]

We recently got a bunch of Brownells' magazines. The first day we used them was on a qual range. In my very limited experience, I have never seen so many magazine related failures. These were all brand new magazines with the improved follower. I took about 10 guys who had all had feeding problems, and had them use our older GI magazines with green followers, no issues.

[Airbornelawyer]

Originally Posted by MVP

Brownells advertises that they supply magazines to the military. They are located in Iowa. Iowa has Harking - D, and Grassley - R for senators. In congress they have three Dems (Braley, Loebsack, Boswell) and two repubs (Latham and King). Loebsack is on the Armed Service Committee.

MVP

Harkin, not Harking. He was the guy who claimed to have flown aircraft in Vietnam, and attacked others like G.W. Bush as chickenhawks, but then it was later discovered that Harkin was stationed in Japan, and only made some flights to Vietnam to deliver aircraft, and never flew operationally in the war.

Brownells is in Montezuma, Iowa, as Badger52's link notes. Montezuma was in Iowa's 3rd Congressional District, represented by Democrat Leonard Boswell. Boswell is a moderate Democrat, retired Army LTC and decorated Vietnam veteran. Boswell does not appear among Brownells' donees in opensecret.org's databases.

Because of redistricting, Iowa is losing a congressional seat, and Montezuma will be in the Iowa 1st Congressional District, represented by Democrat Bruce Braley. Braley also does not appear among Brownells' donees in opensecret.org's databases.

Instead, Brownells executives have made their political contributions to Republicans Steve King and Tom Latham. Iowa redistricting forced King and Latham into the same district, so Latham moved and is challenging Boswell in his redrawn district.

Brownells is tied for 12th among King's top 20 contributors, but actually only accounts for 0.75% of his campaign contributions. Most of King's money comes from conservative PACs like the Club for Growth and Citizens United and from small donors.

Brownells accounted for 0.77% of Latham's campaign contributions and ranked 72nd among Latham donors. Latham's major donors are from corporations in a wide range of industries, but no single source accounts for more than 5%.

So it's not clear that corrupt congresscritters are at fault here.

Originally Posted by Badger52

Doing the math indeed.

Doing the math, that 2009 contract for which Brownells was to provide 1.41 million mags was a fixed-price contract for $10,730,100, or $7.61 per magazine. Anyone know how much Magpul charges military customers? Their cheapest commercial price for PMAGs is $14.95 for the basic, $17.95 for the MagLevel™ version.

It might just be a matter of bureaucratic number-crunching ignoring the soldiers in the field, unfortunately not a new story.

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by XavierR

We recently got a bunch of Brownells' magazines. The first day we used them was on a qual range. In my very limited experience, I have never seen so many magazine related failures. These were all brand new magazines with the improved follower. I took about 10 guys who had all had feeding problems, and had them use our older GI magazines with green followers, no issues.

No study will ever be done on how much better one brand is to the next. Love to see IR done. We use PMAGs primarily, just got a box of Brownells, HK Steel, Sig Sauer and surefire magazines.

Never used the new Brownells, we well this next trip.