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Old 12-29-2010, 14:11   #1
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U.S. Army Waiting List Near Record Levels With High Unemployment, GI Bill

Young Americans looking to join the armed forces may have to wait to serve.

The combination of lower recruitment target numbers, a weak economy and the implementation of the GI bill has made waiting lists, officially known as the Delayed Entry Pool, longer than they have been in recent years.

The Marine Corps, which has traditionally had a smaller recruiting base, has fulfilled more than 65 percent of its target for fiscal year 2011. The Army entered the new recruiting year in October having fulfilled 50 percent, or half its targeting goals for next year.

The number is a near record for the Army. The last time in recent decades the waiting list was so long was 1996, when the Delayed Entry Pool was at 42.9 percent at the start of the fiscal year.

In recent years, the Army lowered standards to boost recruitment, including allowing those with low test scores and even criminal records to join. But after years of such incentives and hefty bonuses, recruitment interest has not only surged but the quality of Americans who have expressed interest has improved considerably.

For the first time since fiscal year 1992, nearly all of the Army recruits -- 99.9 percent -- in fiscal year 2010 were high school graduates.
"It's a great time for us. We're very pleased with the way things are going.

The characteristics of the people we're recruiting are near all time highs," Maj. Douglas Smith, spokesman for the Army recruitment command at Ft. Knox, Ky., told ABC News.

The higher number of high school graduates "was a good sign and we have been able to restrict the number of waivers we give for conduct, so that's been an improvement as well," he said.

A number of factors are behind the surging numbers. The military has cut back recruitment goals across the board. The Army target, for example, for the fiscal year 2011 is 67,000, lower than 74,500 in 2010 and well below the average recruitment goal of 80,000 between 2005 and 2008.

The economy also plays a crucial part. Unemployment remains relatively high at 9.8 percent, the same level as last year, and among 18-to-24-year-olds -- the Pentagon's prime recruiting age -- it's even higher.

Officials admit that unemployment has led more volunteers to visit recruitment centers, but caution that it's only part of the equation.

"Our economy has something to do with this, but not everything," Col. David Lapan, deputy assistance secretary of defense for media operations, said at a briefing in October. "A lot of people would think that, as we look at where we are right now in terms of the challenges facing us, it's more to it than the economy."

The post-9/11 GI Bill has also created a new incentive for young men and women to join the armed forces. Passed last year, the bill pays for education and housing for family and service members who have served at least 90 days and were honorably discharged.

"The post-9/11 GI Bill has made a big difference in United States Army recruiting, as I look and talk to our noncommissioned officers and our officers who are out providing the strength for the Army every day," said Maj. Gen. Donald M. Campbell, Jr., commanding general of the U.S. Army recruiting command.

With more Americans eager to sign up to serve, what new recruits shouldn't expect to see are the hefty bonuses that their predecessors were promised as an added incentive. In fiscal year 2010, average bonuses dropped to $5,900 for those with no prior military service, considerably lower than $13,300 in 2009 and $18,300 in 2008.

The Senate Appropriations Committee also slashed about $500 million out of the recruiting and reenlistment bonuses.
Fiscal year 2009 was the first time since the military became an all-volunteer force in 1973 that all the services met their goals for both numbers and quality of recruits in the 12 months ending Sept. 30.

Waiting lists for recruits are not a new phenomenon, but how long the list and the wait is has varied over the years.

Delayed Entry Pools usually depend on the availability of the recruit or the availability of a training slot. The size of the military services is set in stone, so they can't bring in more people than they're authorized, so in many cases, recruits have to wait for the slots to open up.
ABC News' Luis Martinez contributed to this report.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-ar...2495054&page=2
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Old 12-29-2010, 14:27   #2
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Old 12-29-2010, 14:36   #3
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I read this, and I realize how fortunate I am.

You (read: me, a cherry assed leg in TRADOC, ) get the boo boo face when you're pulling security in a patrol base at 3 am, and then you read that there are literally thousands of people who would love to trade places with you in a heartbeat for the job security.

I think the next time I take a knee and face out, I won't mind so much.

Not that this compares to what you men do.
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Old 12-29-2010, 21:19   #4
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I'm not entirely sure that it is a good thing that the military is filling its ranks with people who enlisted simply because they view the military as a last resort, or just want the college money.

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Old 12-29-2010, 21:38   #5
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I'm not entirely sure that it is a good thing that the military is filling its ranks with people who enlisted simply because they view the military as a last resort, or just want the college money.
I joined for the college money.
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Old 12-29-2010, 22:10   #6
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Hopefully this will relieve some of the stress the recruiters are under.

The thread below still bothers me enough that I remembered it immediately after reading this one.
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ruiter+suicide
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Old 12-29-2010, 22:10   #7
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I'm not entirely sure that it is a good thing that the military is filling its ranks with people who enlisted simply because they view the military as a last resort, or just want the college money.
I agree tentatively....

The optimist in me says the majority of these guys are not THAT ignorant. It's not like they don't know what they’re getting into, for the most part, I hope. The majority of them have at least a high school education and frequently more. Hopefully their paying attention to the world and our role in it these days.....

Realistically, there will be some shit birds but, I can't fault a guy for jumping on when the perks are good. That siad, I think it sucks that we need to resort to these perks to man the force.....If indeed we really “need” to that is.

Oh, and I wish Jimmy Carter gave me these perks. (though it's kind of a mute point now) ....jd
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:57   #8
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Just how many do you think are going in as an 18X?.............. I'll bet that there aren't that many!........... If there coming in "to get out of the rain" they aren't looking to go SF,more just wanting to serve and get out and cash in on VA benefits................. Just my 2 cents!

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I joined for the college money.
I also joined for the college money, like uplink5 when Jimmy Carter was in the WH. Found out that I liked it and needed the discipline that was lacking in my life and stayed for 24+ years, 18 in SF.

I think the economy has long been a major reason young people join the military. Regardless of the motivations that make them raise their hand, we'll get some good ones. To quote the Duke from the airborne track, "We'll get part of em."
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:21   #10
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Quarter of Georgians fail Army entry test

http://www.ajc.com/news/quarter-of-g...il-790969.html


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Old 12-30-2010, 07:44   #11
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I'm not entirely sure that it is a good thing that the military is filling its ranks with people who enlisted simply because they view the military as a last resort, or just want the college money.
I would tend to think it is more a case of 'opportunity' - job/career and future educational - than one of being a 'last resort'.

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I'm not so sure about that -- volunteer army means that civilians tend to be quite ignorant about the military (and yes, including myself in that one pre-husband).

I was in the grocery store with hubby who was in uniform when a kid somewhere in his late teens stopped us and was asking MRFL questions about service, specifically regarding the benefits. But then he says:

"Will I have to, like, deploy?"

Would have been funny if it wasn't so sad. The thing is hubby says that he gets that question all the time.

Reminded me a lot of Private Benjamin who wanted to join the other army -- the one on the beach with the condos.
Reality sets in for people at different times, and sometimes never.
Of course, kids want things for free! God knows my daughters do
Eventually, they'll also figure it out.

For the military though, the whole idea is to "get 'em in first"; provide for them a significant emotional event and break them down (basic training); build'em back up and mold them into soldiers. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. It has always been this way.

Kids (and some adults) have always wanted something for nothing, kids (and some adults) are always ignorant, there is nothing new here except the incentive perks which in the military we may, or may not need anymore. Otherwise, we've been handing out some of these perks for awhile now and I for one am impressed with the vast majority of our troops.

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I agree with MG (ret) Wheeler that the state of education in the US has become a national security issue. Teachers must teach to standardized tests so that the schools which employ them meet mandated standards each year (not that meeting standards is wrong, it isn't, but children should be learning sufficiently well to pass those tests without the teachers focusing only on tests).

Unfortunately, this issue is not a standalone issue to solve IMHO. It is connected to the break down of the traditional family (and before someone takes offense, I am a single parent myself), the high cost of living requiring both parents (in a two parent family) to both work outside the home in order to provide for their family, for single parents to frequently work multiple jobs and in doing so, be unable to adequately supervise the upbringing of their children or help with homework and many other things that went along with the traditional family unit where dad worked and mom kept the home front running. Not to mention that adequate childcare is very expensive and difficult to come by for many families.

Many high school graduates are functionally illiterate and thus it is no surprise that they cannot meet minimum education requirements for military service. The previous administration made an attempt to begin to solve this problem with No Child Left Behind but I don't think it can solve the entire problem and perhaps made it a bit worse.

I don't know what the solution is but do think that as long as we are more concerned with not offending each other, remaining PC, and trying to always level the playing field by taking from those who have worked hard to achieve something and giving to those who choose not to do so, that the problem will remain and perhaps continue to worsen. My mother taught me that life isn't fair so to get over it, I think that wisdom has been lost.

In order to have winners, there must be losers, and the competition that results in that determination serves to make us collectively stronger. This is the edge that I fear we are losing in this the greatest nation on earth.

Respectfully submitted without any intention of offending anyone.
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RE: Post #14 - astounding.

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