07-17-2004, 11:58
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Pat Rogers Article on "Quick Peeks" in SWAT Magazine
Outstanding article, at least in my opinion. I recommend it.
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07-17-2004, 12:04
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I was at the bookstore last night and missed that magazine in my free "survey" of firearm magazines.
BTW- anyone check out the latest Tactical Knife magazine. THere is an article claiming a knife is the model used for the SF crest. I can't remember what the name of is was off hand. I am going to search on this site and find the thread where you guys discussed this. See if I can stir my memory a little...
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07-17-2004, 12:11
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"used the design of the V-42 commando knife"
yep, that is the name of the knife in the article. Seemed like a good article... I think some manufacterer is about to start making some in CO. Of course, I would rather have a knife like NDD's and TR's latest addition as I believe it was the original design the V-42 was based on anyway.
WITH THE CORRECT DATE ON IT OF COURSE.....  LOL
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07-17-2004, 12:15
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No, the V42 was based on the FS. Pat O'Neil would have been the key design input on the V42. The AF is an improved version of the FS that came out after both. I would say the AF is an Americanized (much better) version of the original FS. Stouter, more uses, fixed some of the original issues in the FS such as a weak tip.
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07-17-2004, 12:18
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thanks NDD
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07-17-2004, 12:20
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NP - but watch Mr. dd/mm/yyyy come in here and rip me to shreds. LOL
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07-17-2004, 12:29
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Originally posted by Airbornelawyer
Steeped in legend, but the answer isn't really clear. Three knives (stilettos, really) compete for the honor - the V-42 used by the First Special Service Force, the Fairbairn-Sykes used by Rangers and the OSS dagger. All were ultimately based on the Fairbairn-Sykes, though.
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It appears AL posted a corroborated answer in the old thread. You were right NDD.
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07-21-2004, 11:44
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In the same issue, there's also a good article on basic stress management by Jeff Gonzalez. Jeff is a former SquEAL and is well thought of in training circles.
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07-21-2004, 13:02
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Pat is a good man and an excellent trainer as well.
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07-22-2004, 22:09
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NDD-
I read the articles (Gonzalez and Rodgers). I really enjoyed the Roger's one on Quick peaks (well, reasons why not to ever do it actually).
How do you personally recommend maintaining body position/weapon position when in a high threat environment? Do you teach and preach the position that he had pictured at the beginning of the article? The one where elbows are in, pistol almost on chest, weapon pointed at highest priority threat area???
I saw where he stated its possible to shoot from this safety position if at physical "contact" distance, but otherwise to extend arms and obtain a "flash site picture". Does this jive with your beliefs? How about you, Team Sergeant? This article was written as an offensive hallway clearing scenario. Would this extreme close range form of point shooting be the only acceptable time to not obtain a flash front site?
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07-22-2004, 22:17
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Is SWAT Mag available to Civvies and outside of the US?
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07-22-2004, 22:28
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Quote:
Originally posted by Huey14
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Yes
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Originally posted by Huey14
Is SWAT Mag available outside of the US?
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NDD is outside the US.
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07-23-2004, 00:00
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Quote:
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
In the same issue, there's also a good article on basic stress management by Jeff Gonzalez. Jeff is a former SquEAL and is well thought of in training circles.
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I can Vouch for him. He was one of my Gunsite Instructors back in '01. He does a DAMN good job if I may Say so.
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07-23-2004, 00:12
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sacamuelas
NDD is outside the US.
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Why yes he is, but he's not that far away compared to my location 
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07-23-2004, 06:56
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Quote:
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NDD-
I read the articles (Gonzalez and Rodgers). I really enjoyed the Roger's one on Quick peaks (well, reasons why not to ever do it actually).
How do you personally recommend maintaining body position/weapon position when in a high threat environment? Do you teach and preach the position that he had pictured at the beginning of the article? The one where elbows are in, pistol almost on chest, weapon pointed at highest priority threat area???
I saw where he stated its possible to shoot from this safety position if at physical "contact" distance, but otherwise to extend arms and obtain a "flash site picture". Does this jive with your beliefs? How about you, Team Sergeant? This article was written as an offensive hallway clearing scenario. Would this extreme close range form of point shooting be the only acceptable time to not obtain a flash front site?
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Yes, although I tend to lower the barrel just a little to keep from flagging good guys. Somewhat of a modified low ready, call it a medium ready. Also, pieing the corners can be really fast with practice. Usually when you see it demonstrated at a school, it looks slow, but it doesn't have to be.
Speed, surprise and violence of action - whatever gets you to that place. 
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