TWA Flight 800 ( different version of events)

[Wiseman]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...141624708.html

Link to the rough cut.

http://press.epixhd.com/press-releas...results-false/

[T-Rock]

When Zirconium pellets are found in the deceased, it is one of those things that make you go Hhhmmmmm...

[Sdiver]

.... aaaaaAAAAaaaaaaand this happened when the Clintons were in office.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmm ...........

[glebo]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

.... aaaaaAAAAaaaaaaand this happened when the Clintons were in office.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmm ...........

It makes wonder "who" was on that flight....several folks went bye bye with them in office

[MSRlaw]

Originally Posted by glebo

It makes wonder "who" was on that flight....several folks went bye bye with them in office

There was nobody on the flight that caused the take-down. Disregarding Opsec, a STA hit that plane. There's no question whatsoever that a missile hit that flight. The only 2 questions are:
1) why that flight? (easy getaway through ocean passage)
2) was it the first time? (check uzbek crashes in early 00s).

Not wearing tin foil hat, but as a former prosecutor and as someone who was "there" during TWA 800, mistakes were made and covered up.

[Badger52]

That should take care of the conjecture that someone was Vince Fostered, McChrystal'd, or Hagelated.

[glebo]

I didn't mean someone on the flight caused the take down. But was referring to maybe a passenger(s) that needed to go bye bye...

anyway, I'll put my tinfoil hat away...

[MSRlaw]

I don't believe anyone in our gov't was malicious in the initial incident. It's the coverup that is always worse and where the maliciousness lies here. There were a litany of laypeople witnesses on boats who saw what they saw. Most importantly, there were twa employees and gov't officials in the area who saw what they saw. But if the investigators aren't asking you questions then there won't be a record. The issue is who in particular told the investigators not to questions those gov't employees who saw what happened. We know why...it was a colossal mistake we USS Libertied our own commercial passenger jet. And rather than resign or fire subordinates they decided to do a black-out during and after the investigation*

*NSA please send drone between midnight and 5am so I can die in my sleep.

[Wiseman]

In the rough cut of the documentary one of the investigators say they saw some FBI agent tampering with evidence by hammering at a piece of the plane. I would also like to see the surveillance footage of 3 FBI agents arriving at the evidence hanger early on the morning, as one of investigators stated in the documentary.

[The Reaper]

1. The SAM would have had to be launched from in around Long Island. Yet no one heard the launch signature or saw it or the launch team. There is a 7-10 second boost phase after a significant launch signature. No one saw it. The only Navy ship in the area was out of range and every crewman interviewed said that they heard or felt nothing. If you have ever been on a ship during a missile launch, everyone knows it. Do we really believe that a country that can't keep its most precious secrets to itself magically silenced a couple hundred sailors without killing them?

2. The ceiling of these shoulder fired weapons is less than 15,000' under optimal conditions. Flight 800 was at 15,000' when it exploded.

3. A 747 is a big bird. The length of TWA 800 was 231' and the wingspan was 195'. The weight at the time of loss was somewhere north of 700,000 pounds. A Redeye, Stinger, SA-7, or SA-14 is relatively a small missile that homes in on the heat signature of the engines. The warheads for those shoulder fired missiles range from 2-6 pounds, most of which is frag jacket.

4. Yet the nose of the 747 separated (at a point where the fuselage is over 20' in diameter and fell while the remainder of the fuselage and wings continued flying. The is not characteristic of a small, heat seeking SAM strike. At most, I would expect to see a couple of engines damaged and the wing fragged. Possibly a few small fuselage holes, though none were found on the wreckage. Not the nose blown off and the engines and wings intact.

I might buy the theory of a bomb on board, likely in the forward cargo bay. The fuel tank explosion is also pretty well established. I am not believing that a shoulder fired SAM cut the nose off of a 747 at 15,000'.

TR

[MR2]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

TR

There you go again, using facts and common sense.

You keep that up and I'll never get a decent return on my Alcoa stock investment.

[PSM]

I read through the NTSB report this morning focusing on Sec. 2.3.2.1.2.3 (Doc page 288, PDF page 306) on the likelihood of a short-circuit and Sec. 2.2.2 (Doc 262, PDF 280) on witness observations.

They did a pretty thorough witness investigation and computer re-enactment.

What struck me was that they discovered an audio anomaly on that CPTs CVR playback a second or two before the recording ended. The CVR wiring was co-routed with the center wing fuel tank fuel quantity indicator, fuel totalizer gauge, and aircraft integrated data system. Just prior to the incident, one pilot noted an erratic reading on the #4 engine fuel flow gauge. The recovered center wing fuel quantity gauge read 300# higher than the refueler’s log.

Pretty interesting read, actually. They also cited three other fuel tank explosions and even indicated that they may have missed something on the 1976 Madrid crash also involving a B747-131.

PDF: http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAR0003.pdf

I don't think a couple of FBI agents hammering on the recovered fuselage would explain that.

Pat

[Paslode]

Seems like every catastrophic event from JFK to present has a conspiracy side to it. Part of the problem is the investigations are generally 3 ring circuses. Another part is people have a hard time believing Oswald and Ray were lone shooters, the Twin Tower Monoliths due too heat and in the case of Flight 800 it is difficult to comprehend a place just fell apart in the sky.

And probably the biggest contributor is a lack of trust in the government.....the misdeeds of which are well documented and the mistrust well deserved.

Hell there are still parts of the Kennedy assassination that are under lock and key....or like his brain it just disappeared!