Makes answering the door at odd hours a little more stressful

Streck-Fu · 06-28-2010, 11:32

Is that really a cop knocking?

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Three sought in home invasion
By WILLIAM F. WEST
Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 22, 2010

Law enforcement officials are seeking three suspects in connection with a home invasion in Pasquotank County Tuesday that involved one armed suspect breaking into the residence after claiming to be an FBI agent.

No one was seriously injured in the incident, although the resident of the Millpond Road home did suffer a cut to his head while leaping through a rear window, Pasquotank Sheriff Randy Cartwright said.

Investigators are reviewing surveillance video footage shot by cameras at the man’s residence for clues to the identities of the suspects.

Cartwright said the incident began about 5 a.m. when the Millpond Road resident awoke to the sounds of someone kicking in his front door.

The resident told investigators that a male carrying a rifle entered his house and claimed to be with the FBI, Cartwright said. The resident told authorities that he asked the intruder to show him credentials proving that he worked for the FBI but the intruder refused.

At that point, the resident went back into his bedroom and locked the door, Cartwright said. The resident then jumped out a rear window, slightly injuring himself, he said.

Surveillance video shot by cameras on the front of the house showed two suspects on the porch of the house prior to the break-in. The video also apparently shows the suspects, one of them holding the rifle, running away from the residence, Cartwright said.

Investigators believe a third suspect was involved because the video also shows someone in a vehicle dropping off the two other suspects prior to the incident.

Cartwright said he wasn’t able to provide a description of the suspects right now. His department is trying to enhance the video so that descriptions can be released.

Ret10Echo · 07-09-2010, 04:14

One for victims rights. I was surprised as this is the PDRM...(Peoples Democratic Republic of Maryland).

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State's Attorney: Homeowner Shooting Of Intruder "Justified"
Thursday, July 08, 2010
Robert Lang

The Baltimore County State's Attorney says that his office will not file any charges against the Perry Hall home owner who shot and killed an intruder in late March.

On March 28, 68-year-old William Bozman shot and killed 29 year old Marvin Cook as he broke into his home.

State's Attorney Scott Shellenberger said today that he completed his review of the case and determined the shooting was "justified."

Cook had an extensive criminal record, including a conviction for attempted murder, for which he served 5 1/2 years in prison.

Police say Bozman woke up on the morning of the break-in to see Cook standing over him. Bozman, who owns a towing company used his own gun to shoot Cook several times when the intruder began walking towards him.

Saoirse · 07-09-2010, 09:18

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

If something like this happens, where someone comes to your door and claims to be the FBI or whatnot and you aren't sure, could you just ask them if you could call the police to confirm it?

I mean I would have no idea what I was looking at if they showed me a badge, I wouldn't know if it was real or not.

Broadsword,
Any law enforcement official, be it federal or local, also has to carry an ID with them. When I was an LEO, not only did I have my badge but I had a photo ID. Most LEO's also carry the ID and badge in a special style wallet specifically made for that. And as far as I know, most LEO shops that sell that stuff require proof that you are indeed what you say you are.
You are allowed to ask them for identification. Just like if a women who is suddenly being told to pull over on a dark and desolate road...go to a well lit, well populated area or the local station.

**Team Sergeant** · 07-09-2010, 09:35

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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

One for victims rights. I was surprised as this is the PDRM...(Peoples Democratic Republic of Maryland).

Home Invasions happen so often (about everyday) in the Phoenix area it doesn't make the front page nor does the major media cover it...... most are illegals and most target the elderly. Oh and it happened (AGAIN) last night....... and people wonder why we want to target the illegals???????

(Note to the bad guys, I always answer my front door with a gun in hand, always.

)

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...asion-07082010

Police: Suspects Invade Home, Take Prescription Drugs
Updated: Thursday, 08 Jul 2010, 6:19 PM MDT
Published : Thursday, 08 Jul 2010, 2:15 PM MDT

SURPRISE, Ariz. - Police say two men forced their way into a home belonging to a retired couple in Surprise and stole prescription drugs.

It happened about 1 a.m. at a home near 174th Avenue and Loop 303.

Police say two men forced their way into the home and burglarized the home. A retired couple was inside the house and woke up to banging on their front door.

As the woman walked up to the door, the two men broke in and knocked her to the ground, breaking her wrist.

The two men apparently knew exactly where to go and what they were looking for, so they probably had cased the house before and knew the couple took medication.

Police are looking for two men in their 20s or 30s. One is Hispanic and the other may be Hispanic or white.

If you have any information about this case, contact the Surprise Police Department.

Ret10Echo · 07-09-2010, 10:52

They are becoming more and more common. D.C. is a big one for that...as a criminal you are pretty well assured that your designated target is unarmed. A neigborhood barbeque was "held up" in D.C. over the 4th of July weekend. One elderly gentleman killed because he would not "lay on the ground and empty his pockets". He struggled with one of the scumbags and the other scumbags shot him.

Perps got away with less than $100.

Good job D.C.....gun control is working....

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SE Man Killed For Less Than $100: WitnessesAdvertisement | ad info
. by John Schriffen
NBCWashington.com

Friends and neighbors are still trying to understand why anyone would rob a community barbecue. And it's more than money that was lost; they say an angel is gone after he gave his life to protect his neighbors.

He was the neighborhood, he kept everything together, he was my best friend, said an anonymous neighbor of John Pernell, 66, who was shot and killed at about 4:30 p.m. Saturday in the 3000 block of Nelson Place SE during an armed robbery gone wrong.

An emotional man who said he witnessed the shooting -- and wants to remain anonymous out of fear the gunman will return -- said he and the rest of the neighbors on Nelson Place are shaken up over the loss of Pernell, a man many called "the mayor." If your air conditioner was broken, if your vacuum cleaner was broke, anything, John would be right there to help you fix it, said neighbor Darnell Marshall. He helped take women to the grocery store, whatever you needed done, John was here to do.

Witnesses said that at the time of the shooting there were eight people inside a local barbecue pit, washing grills and preparing for the neighborhood's annual cookout. Witnesses said three armed men suddenly approached from the front and two in the back, trapping everyone inside. Witnesses said they were told to immediately get on the ground and give up everything in their pockets. Seven of them did, but witnesses say Pernell, in a heroic attempt to save his neighborhood, fought back.

Streck-Fu · 07-09-2010, 11:24

I posted this for consideration is it goes beyond a normal invasion (how normal can that be) in which you know that they are bad guys coming in. By these guys declaring to be police, it makes the victims hesitant to react and will work in almost all cases. In this case, the victims are very fortunate to not be harmed.

The problem arises when, especially after so many reports of LEO entering the wrong house, the homeowner has a much more complicated situation. Are these guys really cops? Can I defend myself? Can I determine what they really are before it's too late?

And it seems that in most cases where a confused resident defends themselves against what turns out to be police entering the wrong house, the resident gets killed when LEO shoots back or they face attempted murder charges.

The cases are rare but they do happen and it's a no win for the resident.

Sten · 07-09-2010, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

I posted this for consideration is it goes beyond a normal invasion (how normal can that be) in which you know that they are bad guys coming in. By these guys declaring to be police, it makes the victims hesitant to react and will work in almost all cases. In this case, the victims are very fortunate to not be harmed.

The problem arises when, especially after so many reports of LEO entering the wrong house, the homeowner has a much more complicated situation. Are these guys really cops? Can I defend myself? Can I determine what they really are before it's too late?

And it seems that in most cases where a confused resident defends themselves against what turns out to be police entering the wrong house, the resident gets killed when LEO shoots back or they face attempted murder charges.

The cases are rare but they do happen and it's a no win for the resident.

If your worried about the police serving you a "no knock" you need to take a few precautions.

1. If you live in a crappy part of town CLEARLY marking your address on the front and back of your home.
2. Do not break the law.
3. Get to know your local lawmen (prior to the "no knock" meeting).

JAGO · 07-09-2010, 13:42

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Originally Posted by Saoirse

Broadsword,
Any law enforcement official, be it federal or local, also has to carry an ID with them. When I was an LEO, not only did I have my badge but I had a photo ID. Most LEO's also carry the ID and badge in a special style wallet specifically made for that. And as far as I know, most LEO shops that sell that stuff require proof that you are indeed what you say you are.
You are allowed to ask them for identification. Just like if a women who is suddenly being told to pull over on a dark and desolate road...go to a well lit, well populated area or the local station.

May I respectfully add, a BIG problem is that samples of real identification are all over the web. Google (image) variations of the words "credentials", "police ID" "police badges". That sort of thing. You'll find lots. Here are a couple references.

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Blott...08.pdf#page=58

(go to the samples included)

Also, this guy is a piece of work - but the badge/ID are legit:

http://www.tedgunderson.net/photo_album.html

With all of the home invasions, you simply can't be sure. Agents are taught the wisdom of having local uniformed LE accompany them when executing a warrant - not only for you but so that the "locals" don't get surprised and drive up on a raid in progress. Also, they are taught to wear lots of blue wind breakers with big badges and agency letters displayed (over their body armor).

v/r
JAGO

**The Reaper** · 07-09-2010, 13:47

Call 911 and ask them if they have a unit at your address, if they can wait that long.

If not, you have the rest of your life to make a few important decisions.

TR

**Team Sergeant** · 07-09-2010, 20:31

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

Call 911 and ask them if they have a unit at your address, if they can wait that long.

If not, you have the rest of your life to make a few important decisions.

TR

Said it before me, call 911 and ask if you have real cops at your front door.
Knowing I've done nothing for a cop to be at my door, if someone stated they were cops, at night, I'd say "I'll be right there!!" and go get my 12 ga. Competition Master, it's loaded with 00 Buck, goes through front doors like butter.......

Streck-Fu · 07-10-2010, 06:42

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Originally Posted by Sten

If your worried about the police serving you a "no knock" you need to take a few precautions.

1. If you live in a crappy part of town CLEARLY marking your address on the front and back of your home.
2. Do not break the law.
3. Get to know your local lawmen (prior to the "no knock" meeting).

Unfortunately there are cases of police getting the wrong house even clearly marked. Even though the odds are small it happens.

And if criminals start mimicing the police..

greenberetTFS · 07-10-2010, 13:50

(Note to the bad guys, I always answer my front door with a gun in hand, always.)/quote/TS

I'll bet you must scare the s*#t out of the pizza boy............

Big Teddy