04-02-2012, 09:37
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The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets
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04-02-2012, 09:40
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04-02-2012, 09:41
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Well, at least they're not buying old bullets . . .
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04-02-2012, 09:47
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That department can't accomplish its mission without a projected allotment of munitions any more than the Armed Forces can.
Now, if they start ordering jackboots and armbands, wake me up.
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04-02-2012, 10:03
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Or rifle ammo
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04-02-2012, 10:48
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Considering the size of DHS and the fact that the U.S Coast Guard is also a part of DHS, these numbers aren't shocking. When I was in the USCG we purchased 5 years of ammunition in advance.
The .40 round has been the standard issue round for all CONUS USCG units for close to 6 years now.
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04-02-2012, 11:36
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Or rifle ammo
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They want that too.
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We've also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.
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04-02-2012, 11:58
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Ammo
We qualify 4 times a year on our weapons, pistol, shotgun and rifle if available.
DHS is CBP, BP, USCG, and other law enforcement types.
I am sure you don't mind our folks on the southwest border having rifles...you know just to keep the odds close to even in a gunfight with the cartels.
All you black chinook, martial law, end timers need to get a grip. 
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04-02-2012, 12:14
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I have a grip as well as sight alignment, sight picture. If there is a problem on our border (there is), then the U.S. military should be mounted up and pushed ten miles into Mexico (it isn't) and dealing with it: decisively. There used to be visible separation between law enforcement and the military. Not a fan of that distinction slipping away.
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04-02-2012, 13:37
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They want that too.
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I hadn't read that. Thanks for the post.
Hmmmm...
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04-02-2012, 14:03
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I hadn't read that. Thanks for the post.
Hmmmm...
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It was in the article hidden under the adverts.
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04-02-2012, 16:33
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.223 & 5.56 cartridge?
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The difference between the Remmington .223 cartridge and the 5.56 mm Nato cartridge. According to SAAMI (Sporting Arms and AMMUNITION Manufactures Institute) Specifications the 5.56 mm and the .223 are SIMILAR, but, the chambers of the guns and the test barrels they are evaluated in are DIFFERENT. One of the key differencesis the length of the throat or the leade. On the 5.56mm chamber compared to the .223 Remington, The 5.56mm is almost twice as long vs. the .223 Remington chamber. Typically the 5.56mm round is loaded to a higher velocity and pressure level than the .223 Remmington. Firing the 5.56mm round in a .223 Remington chamber with the shorter leade can dramatically increase chamber pressures. Remington recommends against the 5.56mm cartridge being fired in a .223 chamber. UNLESS the GUN is MARKED WITH BOTH CARTRIDGE DESIGNATIONS. For example the Remington Model 7615 Patrol Rifle can Safely use both cartridges. The leade is the very small portion of a barrels rifling which slopes from the unrifiled throat to the full-depth rifiling. Although frequently refered to as the throat, there is a definite differencebetween the two. The throat is the unrifiled portion of the bore immediately ahead of the chamber, and before the leade. Bottom Line you can fire a .223 cartridge in a barrel marked 5.56mm BUT YOU CAN NOT FIRE A 5.56mm cartridge in a barrel marked .223....TK
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04-03-2012, 10:05
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Federal LEOs deserve to be provided with the best ammunition available. DHS is simply switching contracts from their present supplier to a new one because the ammunition is better suited for their mission. I dont see what the big problem is. 
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04-03-2012, 10:38
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The difference between the Remmington .223 cartridge and the 5.56 mm Nato cartridge. ....TK
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I quoted the article...the author wrote that. I know the difference... 
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04-03-2012, 12:19
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When the Gov buys in bulk like this, they get a lower price. They also lock in that price, which protects them against future price increases for the duration of the contract. They're trying to save money. They are not buying a bullet for every citizen.
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