09-02-2009, 16:48
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Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133214
".........In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran's jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi'ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue. ............"
".....A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:
"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."........"
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09-02-2009, 17:26
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09-02-2009, 17:27
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Gosh, I wonder what our President thinks about this... ?
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09-02-2009, 17:29
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I like this part, these guys are pure genius:
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This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.
Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."
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09-02-2009, 17:31
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Gosh, I wonder what our President thinks about this... ?
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He's getting the bus ready for another stop on the Apology Tour '09. Sleep deprivation and loud music has given the U.S. a bad reputation and he fully intends to make up for it.
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09-02-2009, 17:35
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Hahaha!
Those pesky Muslims, pretending to be backward misogynists, religious extremists, rapists, pedophiles, and haters.
What a jolly good sense of humor they have!
Thank God they like us, and our President as well!
Islam, the religion of peace.
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09-08-2009, 09:09
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This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.
Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."
Sodom and Gammorah, right here.
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09-08-2009, 10:21
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Sounds like the Imam musta done time in one of our state or federal penitentiaries - I'll bet he TiVos The Shawshank Redemption every time it comes on al Jazeera or AMC. 
And so it goes... 
Richard's $.02 
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09-08-2009, 11:43
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Life Imitates Art?
Michel Houellebech's " Platform" was very controversial for both it's steamy adult scenes and for being offense to Islam. Interestingly enough he wrote it pre 9/11, and the basic gist is Westerners despite better technology and living standards are less happy than their Third World counterparts because they get less sex, but the biggest threat to civilization is the sexually frustrated Islamic male. Interestingly enough the book foreshadowed global Islamic terror attacks like Bali and 9/11.
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09-08-2009, 14:38
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Originally Posted by Pete
Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
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From another thread with long and spirited discussion, I took from it that reformation of a religion depends primarily on the doctrine fundamentals and the esteemed leaders that the followers trust to make "divine" interpretation. With ******** like this imam, how on earth is Islam ever going to change, let alone be reformed?!??! WarriorMentor is right all along, I suppose.
So what's the big deal with gitmo then...Yes, yes, we are advised to take the higher ground and show the difference between them and us, but at what cost  ? At what price mercy?
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09-08-2009, 16:11
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From another thread with long and spirited discussion, I took from it that reformation of a religion depends primarily on the doctrine fundamentals and the esteemed leaders that the followers trust to make "divine" interpretation. With ******** like this imam, how on earth is Islam ever going to change, let alone be reformed?!??! WarriorMentor is right all along, I suppose.
So what's the big deal with gitmo then...Yes, yes, we are advised to take the higher ground and show the difference between them and us, but at what cost ? At what price mercy? |
Do you think that Catholic Popes didn't believe the same things these Imam's do, based on the infalibility of the Pope as established in the 11th Century? their word is Gospel so to speak??? How is it that the Catholic Church was able to transform into what it is today, when the Popes of the day did everything in their power to ensure that nothing changed? Isn't that what is happening with Islam? How can you say with certainty that Islam will never reform?
Reformation for the Catholic Church had more to do with the followers than it did with the leaders of the Church. The same will eventually happen with Islam I believe.
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09-08-2009, 16:19
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In essence Islam can not reform itself. For it to do so, it would have to address the Koran and admit it is incorrect...as it is the word of Allah it can not be addressed and therefore Islam wil not be reformed. To do so would be to contridict God; an impossibility.
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09-08-2009, 19:10
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In essence Islam can not reform itself. For it to do so, it would have to address the Koran and admit it is incorrect...as it is the word of Allah it can not be addressed and therefore Islam wil not be reformed. To do so would be to contridict God; an impossibility.
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That's what the Catholic Church used to believe as well. Didn't stop the reformation from taking place.
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09-08-2009, 20:11
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Recorded Historical precedent counters the clamoring of has not, cannot and will not in regards to Islam's resistance to change - the logical questions remain, therefore, when, how, and what - all of which are TBD.
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09-08-2009, 22:34
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That's what the Catholic Church used to believe as well. Didn't stop the reformation from taking place.
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True, reform can happen in any venue and it is presently happening within Islam.
The Wahhabi influence that controls the Saudi's (and the holiest sites within Sunni Islam) and Al Azar etc. etc. is a recent reformation of only a hundred years or so.
Sadly, this is a very strict and radical interpretation that is the foundation of most radical Islamic groups.
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