07-16-2008, 04:17
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Hezbolla-Israel Exchange Deal
Israel, Hezbollah Begin Dramatic Prisoner Exchange
Wednesday, July 16, 2008
ROSH HANIKRA, Israel — Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas turned over to Israel two coffins believed to contain the bodies of Israeli soldiers captured two years ago, setting in motion a dramatic prisoner exchange between the bitter enemies Wednesday...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,383441,00.html
Reading the exerpt of this story makes me sick. Hezbollah are animals, yet there are some in this country that think we can talk with them? I feel sorry for Israel who has to try and live amidst the sea of barbarism that surrounds them all while being pressured to "make peace".
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07-16-2008, 11:10
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Excerpts from article:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126865
Arab Leaders Celebrate Victory: 'Swap Teaches us to Kidnap More'
By Ze’ev Ben-Yechiel (Published: 07/16/08, 3:25 PM)
…Arab leaders and terrorist groups around the Middle East are expressing their joy over what
to them is a resounding victory over Israel and a lesson that kidnapping IDF soldiers works.
…Hamas terrorist leader Ismail Haniyeh encouraged more kidnappings, and another
Gaza terrorist openly expressed what many in Israel already fear: Kidnapping IDF soldiers has
become the most effective way to release terrorists with blood on their hands.
The Hamas leader said that the deal with Hizbullah, which included the return of the dead bodies
of kidnapped soldiers Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser, gave him hope. "This is a precedent,"
Inspired by the results of the kidnappings and the subsequent prisoner release, Haniyeh decided
Wednesday to postpone the talks on the release of Shalit.
Haniyeh is not the only major terrorist leader to express his delight at the proof that
kidnapping Israelis is an effective weapon strategic weapon against Israel. Abu Mujahed, a spokesman
for the umbrella terror group Popular Resistance Committees, told a Ynet reporter on Wednesday that
the completion of the deal "even after the images of the Israeli soldiers' coffins, proves that
kidnapping soldiers will continue to be the most efficient, favored and ideal way to release
Palestinian prisoners, particularly those defined by the enemy as having blood on their hands."…
According to Abu Mujehad, the Lebanese and PA terror infrastructure "will continue to work to kidnap
soldiers in order to release prisoners "and in order to retrieve our rights, after it has been proved
beyond any doubt that no diplomatic negotiations can release prisoners or return rights."
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07-16-2008, 11:30
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Dead POW hostage bodies for live terrorists?
Am I missing something?
This is a good deal how?
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07-16-2008, 13:51
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Closure for the families that did not know if their children/husband were dead or not.
It is not new that Israel swaps hundreds of arabs for a one of ours.
They always rejoice because theirs is a culture of death. (IMO)
There will be other wars with them.
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07-16-2008, 14:56
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Danjam:
Do you recall the story of Rabbi Maharam from Ruttenberg, who forbad the payment of his ransom. His intent was to insure that kidnapping would not continue as a way of extorting money from the Jewish community.
Clearly the value of this lesson has been lost over time.
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07-16-2008, 15:19
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There is a unwritten law that the army will do everything to bring a fallen/injured soldier back. The government are the ones that break this law every time.
I don't know about Rabbis etc.. I know that when I was in Lebanon, or wherever, I would want my mates, my army to come get me, and fXck public opinion. When soldiers know that if you get captured, your life is not worth the effort, I feel motivation will not be as high.
Our punishment for not going after immediately with full force is what we see today. IMO
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07-16-2008, 16:19
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I agree. The responce should have been more immediate and clear and not interupted.
But, to have my freedom bartered for even one worthless g*****b, who will, if given the opportunity kill more children. Don’t forget who he is, and what he did…
Situation:
A man holds a gun to your head, and says kill that child or I will kill you...
We know the path to take... but we still have the choice.
How we choose defines who we are... what we are.
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07-17-2008, 11:03
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This is from the WSJ in the Opinion section.
James Taranto
Palestinian Courage
The Jerusalem Post reports on a happy event for the Palestinian Authority:
President Mahmoud Abbas on Wednesday sent his regards to the families of Samir Kuntar and the other four Lebanese prisoners scheduled to be transferred to Hizbullah.
Abbas praised the prisoner swap and congratulated the Kuntar family.
Kuntar was in an Israeli prison for an attack that took place on April 22, 1979. Two years ago we quoted a survivor, Smadar Haran Kaiser, who described the attack:
It had been a peaceful Sabbath day. My husband, Danny, and I had picnicked with our little girls, Einat, 4, and Yael, 2, on the beach not far from our home in Nahariya, a city on the northern coast of Israel, about six miles south of the Lebanese border.
Around midnight, we were asleep in our apartment when four terrorists, sent by Abu Abbas from Lebanon, landed in a rubber boat on the beach two blocks away. Gunfire and exploding grenades awakened us as the terrorists burst into our building. They had already killed a police officer.
As they charged up to the floor above ours, I opened the door to our apartment. In the moment before the hall light went off, they turned and saw me. As they moved on, our neighbor from the upper floor came running down the stairs. I grabbed her and pushed her inside our apartment and slammed the door.
Outside, we could hear the men storming about. Desperately, we sought to hide. Danny helped our neighbor climb into a crawl space above our bedroom; I went in behind her with Yael in my arms. Then Danny grabbed Einat and was dashing out the front door to take refuge in an underground shelter when the terrorists came crashing into our flat.
They held Danny and Einat while they searched for me and Yael, knowing there were more people in the apartment. I will never forget the joy and the hatred in their voices as they swaggered about hunting for us, firing their guns and throwing grenades. I knew that if Yael cried out, the terrorists would toss a grenade into the crawl space and we would be killed. So I kept my hand over her mouth, hoping she could breathe. As I lay there, I remembered my mother telling me how she had hidden from the Nazis during the Holocaust. "This is just like what happened to my mother," I thought.
As police began to arrive, the terrorists took Danny and Einat down to the beach. There, according to eyewitnesses, one of them shot Danny in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see. Then he smashed my little girl's skull in against a rock with his rifle butt. That terrorist was Samir Kuntar.
By the time we were rescued from the crawl space, hours later, Yael, too, was dead. In trying to save all our lives, I had smothered her.
If smashing a 4-year-old girl's skull with a rifle butt makes Kuntar a hero, you have to wonder what one would have to do for the Palestinians to consider him a coward. The New York Times, meanwhile, describes Kuntar's attack this way:
Perhaps Israel's most reviled prisoner, Samir Kuntar, will return to a hero's welcome when he crosses into Lebanon this week, 29 years after he left its shores in a rubber dinghy to kidnap Israelis from the coastal town of Nahariya.
That raid went horribly wrong, leaving five people dead, a community terrorized and a nation traumatized. Two Israeli children and their father were among those killed.
What does the Times think would have happened if the "raid" had gone right?
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07-19-2008, 14:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reaper
Dead POW hostage bodies for live terrorists?
Am I missing something?
This is a good deal how?
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Not only that, the bodies were so badly mutilated that it is almost impossible for them to be identified. Savages, every single one of them.
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