Presidential Election, April 2008

**Roguish Lawyer** · 04-02-2008, 14:16

OK, if the general election were held now, what would you do?

Guy · 04-03-2008, 13:27

A temporary move seems pretty good.

Stay safe.

Counsel · 04-03-2008, 14:01

If you guys think you have it bad in the mainland, you can’t even begin to imagine how bad politics are here in PR. Our democratically elected (read Supreme Court appointed) Governor just got indicted in Federal Court with 19 counts of campaign finance corruption, conspiracy to violate United States' federal election laws, wire fraud, conspiracy to defraud the IRS and filing a false tax return.

And, just to spicy things up a little more, he's running for re-election on November 08!

Fiji, here I come.

Shar · 04-03-2008, 14:16

Heaven knows I'm not in love with McCain on a TON of his policies, but a Supreme Court and Commander in Chief swing in the balance and so staying home in protest doesn't seem at all responsible.

3SoldierDad · 04-03-2008, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Shar

Heaven knows I'm not in love with McCain on a TON of his policies, but a Supreme Court and Commander in Chief swing in the balance and so staying home in protest doesn't seem at all responsible.

Ditto...

He's not perfect, but he is a decent man. That's way different than those two - the liar and the racist enabler - with the Dems.

Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

CRad · 04-03-2008, 15:10

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That's way different than those two - - with the Dems.

Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

But Chuck, isn't the Dem factor actually the deciding factor as far as you are concerned? Suppose Hillary was a Republican. Would it make a difference for you?

Trip_Wire (RIP) · 04-03-2008, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Shar

Heaven knows I'm not in love with McCain on a TON of his policies, but a Supreme Court and Commander in Chief swing in the balance and so staying home in protest doesn't seem at all responsible.

Ditto!

What's are the real alternatives? Zip!

**The Reaper** · 04-03-2008, 15:43

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Originally Posted by CRad

But Chuck, isn't the Dem factor actually the deciding factor as far as you are concerned? Suppose Hillary was a Republican. Would it make a difference for you?

I cannot reconcile any of Hillary's positions with being a Republican. I am having a hard enough time doing that with McCain.

As a Dem, which of Obama's positions do you find attractive?

Is it his "cut and run from Iraq policy", or the racism of his church that he found so attractive for 20 years? The hatred for America that his wife and minister feel? Maybe Hillary's socialized medicine program that he seems to have borrowed from.

Obama doesn't seem to have too many other policy initiatives out there.

He is a gifted speaker, but he certainly has no record of bringing people together on political compromises, which seems to be his principle claim.

TR

CRad · 04-03-2008, 18:21

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I cannot reconcile any of Hillary's positions with being a Republican. I am having a hard enough time doing that with McCain.

And I see her as being McCain in a skirt and no different policy-wise. so it would seem we are in agreement there, yes?

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As a Dem, which of Obama's positions do you find attractive?

Is it his "cut and run from Iraq policy", or the racism of his church that he found so attractive for 20 years? The hatred for America that his wife and minister feel?

I don't think he has a "cut and run" policy anymore than McCain has a "good money after bad" policy. As far as Obama's wife goes - who cares? The Church thing? Who is being voted into office? We have had some SF guys say some controversial things - in some people's opinion but it didn't reflect what the current CINC had to say on the subject, did it?

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Maybe Hillary's socialized medicine program that he seems to have borrowed from.

I don't like HRC's program and its mandates. People should be free to choose but I do agree with what Obama says about feeding kids prior to classroom activities. I agree that early childhood programs are the way to go and it seems Ft Bragg agrees with me considering its EDIS programs

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Obama doesn't seem to have too many other policy initiatives out there.

He is a gifted speaker, but he certainly has no record of bringing people together on political compromises, which seems to be his principle claim.

TR

Obama has laid out a plan for a number of initiatives actually. You can look it up. I figure his success/failure rate is about the same as Bush's was at the start of his first term.

The bottom line is this...it doesn't matter what he says because the fact of the matter is the fucking guy is a g'dam Democrat. He could be purple and his Pastor could have the flag tattooed over his heart but the fact remains he's a DEMOCRAT and that makes him non-vote worthy in the eyes of some people.

Wouldn't you agree with that?

3SoldierDad · 04-03-2008, 18:28

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But Chuck, isn't the Dem factor actually the deciding factor as far as you are concerned? Suppose Hillary was a Republican. Would it make a difference for you?

No - Absolutely not.

If the liar is a Republican, I wouldn't vote for him or her either. When George H.W. Bush said "Read, my lips - No new taxes." When he lied and raised taxes - I didn't vote for him either. Let me be clear, with Bush 41, that was the election I went from being a Republican to being an Independent.

I now vote for the person. Most of the time I vote Republican....Fewer liars, I suppose.

Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

Ret10Echo · 04-03-2008, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Counsel

If you guys think you have it bad in the mainland, you can’t even begin to imagine how bad politics are here in PR. Our democratically elected (read Supreme Court appointed) Governor just got indicted in Federal Court with 19 counts of campaign finance corruption, conspiracy to violate United States' federal election laws, wire fraud, conspiracy to defraud the IRS and filing a false tax return.

And, just to spicy things up a little more, he's running for re-election on November 08!

Fiji, here I come.

That is the Rhode Island standard...

Sure his name isn't Cianci?

3SoldierDad · 04-03-2008, 18:38

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Originally Posted by 3SoldierDad

No - Absolutely not.

If the liar is a Republican, I wouldn't vote for him or her either. When George H.W. Bush said "Read, my lips - No new taxes." When he lied and raised taxes - I didn't vote for him either. Let me be clear, with Bush 41, that was the election I went from being a Republican to being an Independent.

I now vote for the person. Most of the time I vote Republican....Fewer liars, I suppose.

Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

One more thing about Hillary that turns my stomach. I wouldn't want a Commander In Chief that tolerated a cheating spouse. And, I'm not talking about forgiving a cheating spouse who comes to their senses - because things happen - I'm talking about tolerating for years a cheater. When the whole Monica Lewinski thing happened, she said she was shocked and overwhelmingly devastated - When she insists upon this she is either totally naive or a liar; or something even worse - A naive liar. Regardless, she was an enabler. What does that say about a person? If Bill could cheat on her so easily, so often, and for so many years - so could the Koreans, the Chinese, the Iranians, the Saudis and the Russians - Anyone! Integrity, faithfulness and truthfulness are not central drivers for her. Have we lost our minds?

Indeed, if she couldn't control her rascally husband, how will she run the country? And, when she couldn't control Bill and continually enabled his behavior - How would she do on the world stage? The global forces of darkness would be licking their chops...Not good.

Obama is a racist enabler...Hillary is a cheater enabler. Not good folks - that's bad, real bad. I think it is horrible that she can be such a pathetic liar and can still be viable in the race.

It's a sad day for the Democrats...Shame on them for running two such terrible candidates.

Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

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CRad · 04-03-2008, 19:23

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One more thing about Hillary that turns my stomach. I wouldn't want a Commander In Chief that tolerated a cheating spouse. And, I'm not talking about forgiving a cheating spouse - because things happen - I'm talking about tolerating for years a cheater.

100% dead on target! That is what bothers me the most about her. If you tolerate that then what else will you go for? Foreign leaders are going to obfuscate (lie) and if you are Hillary Clinton are you going to be "ok" with that? Or are you going to say in essence " No way Buddy. You are selling me a bill of goods."

You know that old saying about you have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything? To me, that is Hillary Clinton.

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Obama is a racist enabler...

I have to ask you about this sentiment and why you think that because I don't see it that way. I'm not even sure what a "race enabler" is or what you mean by that.

I am more than happy to disagree, share your views or argue. I just need to know what you mean first.

By the way, thank you for your sons. I have a number of family members who are in the military and it's not the easiest thing I've done...You know that worrying about them thing.

Cheri

3SoldierDad · 04-03-2008, 19:46

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Originally Posted by CRad

I have to ask you about this sentiment and why you think that because I don't see it that way. I'm not even sure what a "race enabler" is or what you mean by that. I am more than happy to disagree, share your views or argue. I just need to know what you mean first.
Cheri

I've heard from the lips of Jeremiah Wright - He's a racist. This guy was according to Obama his "spiritual mentor for nearly two decades." Obama enables racism by patronizing Jeremiah Wright; patronizing - like a customer giving his time, attention, approbation, and money to a store - Such an association shows poor judgment and he has enabled Wright by being in his church and sitting under his mentorship....And, giving his few charitable donations toward his church. Obama gives his church donations where the pastor publishes Hamas writings in the church newsletter. Who knows - It may have been Obama's donation that bought the ream of paper that inked the church's Hamas newsletter...

Yep, a racist enabler....

And, since the church publishes Hamas editorials one could surmise he is a terrorist enabler, too...

Another thing that bugs me about Obama is that we see a guy who wants to solve all the world's problems and for the years between 2001 and 2005 with an average income of nearly $300,000 a year (approx. $1.5 million)... He gave a mere pittance of $10,000 in total charitable giving (my stomach is churning this very second). What does that tell me? He's not a giver - He's a taker. Once he became political he began giving 5% - And, guess where the biggest lump of it went? Yep, to his mentor. His wife strikes me as an ingrate - resentful for having to pay her college loans back - instead of being thankful for the wonderful education she received; and even more, not proud of her nation until only recently - all the while presuming she merits being our nation's First Lady. It's all so disgusting to me.

I'm not saying I'm right about everything - I'm telling you what makes me ill about these people.

I appreciate your nice comments about my sons; but with a Dad like me, wouldn't you want to get as far away from home as is possible? I'm telling you the military did the trick...

Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

Penn · 04-03-2008, 20:08

Thank you 3 soldier dad for putting in to words my confused set of thought on this race and these secondary level talents.
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Additional, when was the last time you were so disgusted. For me, it was Carter and the Iranian hostage situation. Which, in some way, is reflecting the same set of circumstances that produces or presents candidates, who will shrink from the confrontation at hand? I am so sick of hearing and accommodating a viewpoint because it would be politically incorrect to openly say the following: Wright and his pupil are fucking racist! And who, if in a position of influence will grant amnesty to 20 Million plus illegal’s , and will eviscerate our armed forces, tax and section 8 the middle class or what left of it to death. There is no f’in way I will stand by and let that shit happen…AGAIN!!!