Dem Voters May Defect to McCain

**The Reaper** · 03-21-2008, 10:25

Poll: Divisive Dem Contest Could Boost McCain
By Fred Lucas
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
March 21, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - The lengthy Democratic primary contest bodes well for Republican chances of holding the White House, a new poll suggests.

As Democratic Senators Barack Obama of Illinois and Hillary Clinton of New York slug it out for the nomination, many of their supporters -- at least in Pennsylvania, site of the next major primary -- aren't committed to the party's ticket in November, according to a Franklin & Marshall College Poll.

Among Obama supporters, 20 percent said they would vote for Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the Republican nominee, if Clinton beats their candidate for the nomination. Among Clinton supporters, 19 percent said they would support McCain in November if Obama is the Democratic nominee. (See poll)

The significant number of potential defectors underscores how divisive the Democratic primary has been.

Democrats won Pennsylvania in the 2000 and 2004 presidential races, but it was a competitive state in both election cycles. McCain, meanwhile, has touted his appeal to swing voters.

"Pennsylvania is a must-win state for a Democratic presidential nominee," Nathan Gonzalez, political editor of the Rothenberg Political Report, told Cybercast News Service. "If there is a significant weakness for a Democrat in Pennsylvania, it could indicate a weakness in Ohio or other key states."

Even a few months ago, the presidential race looked like a major uphill climb for any Republican candidate. But recent polls suggest a toss-up between McCain and either Democratic candidate.

Obama and Clinton both have many negatives, which doesn't make the Pennsylvania poll too surprising, said Doris Graber, a political science professor at the University of Illinois.

"Obama is very liberal, more liberal than we've seen on the campaign trail. Also, there is still racism out there," Graber told Cybercast News Service. "Hillary, we've known all along, has strong supporters. But there are also a lot of people who would never vote for her. There is some antipathy from the Clinton years. Some wouldn't vote for her because she's a woman."

Graber believes it is "almost a certainty" that the Obama-Clinton battle will be decided at the Democratic National Convention, which could drive a wedge through the party.

"Democratic voters could be persuaded not to vote for a candidate with vulnerabilities," she continued. "A vote for McCain wouldn't be that difficult. He does appeal to the middle."

However, Gonzales cautioned not to read too much into a single poll, or discount the desire of Democratic voters to move beyond the George W. Bush years, of which McCain has become the heir.

"This is a very personal and competitive Democratic primary," he said. "Clinton and Obama supporters have trouble seeing themselves with the other now. A healing period will have to happen."

**Pete** · 03-21-2008, 10:43

My family grouping in 2 I's, 2 D's and 2 R's. All in the same precinct.

Right now it's breaking

BHO - 0

Hillery - 0

Mac - 6

I bet our precinct will break 75% Hill or BHO and 25% Mac come election time.

I'm not saying anything with that but.........

Edited to add voter stats as of Feb 08

Total voters in my precinct - 4,673

2,577 Democrat; 1,114 Republican; Unafil 982; Liber 0

Black 2,321; White 2,023; NatAmer 14; Aisian 19; Multi 28; Other 230; Undesig 38

Female 2,575; Male 2,076; Undesig 22 <- Whats up with that?

Hispanic 116; Not Hispanic 3,983; Undesig 574

While stat wise it looks pretty even I'll say turnout will be waaay up there on the D side this year.

Guy · 03-21-2008, 11:05

Obama screwed up by not hammering that preacher thus alienating the "white" vote...

Richardson just endorsed Obama hoping the Dems get the latino vote...AIN'T going to happen especially after Obama supported an outright racist. If that preacher hates white...imagine what he says about latinos...

Stay safe.

**Dan** · 03-21-2008, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Guy

Obama screwed up by not hammering that preacher thus alienating the "white" vote...

Richardson just endorsed Obama hoping the Dems get the latino vote...AIN'T going to happen especially after Obama supported an outright racist. If that preacher hates white...imagine what he says about latinos...

Stay safe.

He also helped alienate the "white" vote when he used "typical white person".

Guy · 03-21-2008, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Dan

He also helped alienate the "white" vote when he used "typical white person".

I need it for some up-coming college course...

"I wanna see how this particular professor explains that?"

Stay safe.

**The Reaper** · 03-21-2008, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy

I need it for some up-coming college course...

"I wanna see how this particular professor explains that?"

Stay safe.

Here you go. He said it about his white grandmother. It is on all of the networks, you might want to use another one if you are going to argue with a lib, they will just claim that Fox made it all up.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03...pastor-wright/

Quote:

He denied his grandmother held hatred toward blacks, but described her as a “typical white person.”

“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity — she doesn’t,” he said. “But she is a typical white person who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there is a reaction. That has been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way.”

Clearly, Obama feels that all typical whiteys (even relatives) are racists.

Maybe the genetic white racist in him is in conflict with his oppressed black side and he is confused about his identity? You would think that Rev Wright would have cleared all of that up for him.

TR

**Roguish Lawyer** · 03-21-2008, 12:11

Meanwhile, Obama and Clinton raised like 9x what McCain raised last cycle. IIRC, he raised like $11M, Clinton raised $35M and Obama raised $55M. Sure, he appeals to the middle, but the Republican base can't stand him.

I normally write checks for presidential candidates, the RNC, etc., but I have not done so to this point and may not at all. And I'm a libertarian, not a traditional conservative.

You can't win if you don't have the financial ammo to get your message out.

Guy · 03-21-2008, 12:24

Thanks TR

RL,

What MC needs is a marketing manager that is mainstream...

"I find it interesting that it takes two (2) Dems-vs-one (1) Repub...we don't have but one (1) POTUS...decisions need to be made; NOT debates!"

Stay safe.

**Roguish Lawyer** · 03-21-2008, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Guy

What MC needs is a marketing manager that is mainstream...

I think he's well positioned to take the middle, but he's GOT to shore up his base.

emoore · 03-21-2008, 13:24

Agreed -- that was a pretty stupid remark. Of course the liberal news media will cover it the best they can. I really don't care what Obama says because his opinion means nothing to me but if a white Politician or any public figure said "typical black person" it would ruin their career. The double standard is what I have problem understanding.

Guy · 03-21-2008, 14:28

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

I think he's well positioned to take the middle, but he's GOT to shore up his base.

I need to look up the definition of "base?"

The only thing I'm seeing is FLIP-FLOP...FLOP-TO-THE-FLIP! Unless MC pulls hitler out of his ass and kisses him! Ain't NO way he should lose?

Just my .01$

Stay safe.

emoore · 03-21-2008, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy

I need to look up the definition of "base?"

The only thing I'm seeing is FLIP-FLOP...FLOP-TO-THE-FLIP! Unless MC pulls hitler out of his ass and kisses him! Ain't NO way he should lose?

Just my .01$

Stay safe.

I hope you're right -- It would be hard to stomach 4 years with Obama or the bi---.

3SoldierDad · 03-21-2008, 20:34

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Originally Posted by Dan

He also helped alienate the "white" vote when he used "typical white person".

Wow, you're darn right...

What the holy heck was that quote all about? IMO, that guy is a freaking bigot. I thought he might merely be a racist enabler. There is a reason he was regularly sitting in Wright's church. Why? Because he believed those messages - like the rest of those in attendance - he was thrilled by the notion of the black elitism he was being fed....

"His grandmother was," as one radio guy said, "thrown under the bus by Obama - And, if that wasn't enough he then runs grandma over." - What really happened was the "typical white person" got run over - And, so did his election chances. Didn't he also say his grandmother commonly expressed racist slurs against blacks? So, is all that typical of white folk? How can the man lead us away from racism, bigotry and stereotypes when he's a living example of the bigotry himself?

How?

Actually I'm discovering the racists are the ones who are constantly calling attention to race. When I saw Margaret Thatcher I didn't see a woman - I saw a leader. When I saw Colin Powell I didn't see a black man - I saw a leader. When I saw JFK I didn't see a Catholic - I saw a leader. When I see my adopted African son I don't see a black boy - I see a precious human being.

When I used to see Barack Obama I used to see a very eloquent charismatic man - Perhaps, even a leader (hadn't got that far) - Now, all I see is a typical black politician.

His chances of being elected now are remote - at best.

I think he's done.

Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

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lksteve · 03-21-2008, 21:47

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

The lengthy Democratic primary contest bodes well for Republican chances of holding the White House, a new poll suggests.

I'd say it bodes well for McCain...not so sure about the Republicans, though...

Guy · 03-22-2008, 16:38

When I was growing up...talking bad about Grand-Ma would have gotten you shot; real quick!

Stay safe.