Wrestling; how does it compare? And a couple other questions

Dante · 01-08-2008, 23:53

I do high school wrestling and I have a question relating to it. Anyways we do a lot of pretty hard work outs during practice and I wanted to know how they compare in intensity to the stuff they make you do in SF. Basically most of the peers on my wrestling team are morons and they get us in trouble a lot so we get smoked a lot. For example after wrestling at a good pace for an hour(at this point I am already sweating like I jumped in a pool), people start messing around so we start sprinting up and down the 25 yard gym almost non stop for a little while. After that we had to carry a partner on our back who was equal weight to us and sprint up and down 4 times each. After that we did the same thing but with a fireman's carry variation. Then we had to do something called a monkey roll with 3 guys where three people line up like this ||| and the guy on the end rolls under the guy in the middle who rolls under him, and the process continues like that with all 3. We do that for 5 or 6 2:00 minute periods. Then we did more sprints, then bear crawls across the gym, and then frog leaps, and crab crawls. We get smoked similar to this every day with some variations that have rope climbs thrown in or something. I'm not trying to get information on what SF does for smoke sessions, but I just want to know how this compares and if this is at least a decent workout in comparison. It seemed pretty sadistic to me but then again I am pretty out of shape since I haven't worked out at all since I started wrestling.

Pete S · 01-09-2008, 00:56

That is very similar to the exercises you do in the Marines for different MCMAP belt qualifications.

**The Reaper** · 01-09-2008, 06:12

Not even close, but less ridiculous drills.

Get in shape, or find another career.

TR

**Jack Moroney (RIP)** · 01-09-2008, 06:22

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Originally Posted by Dante

I wanted to know how they compare in intensity to the stuff they make you do in SF. .

I wrestled both in high school and college and I will tell you that you have yet to be smoked.* PT is PT and you get out of it what you put into it.* The PT we do in SF is tailored for mission (task) requirements and will vary in intensity with both the programs* and the individuals running the program.* Remember, your goal is to be able to go a full 6 (9) minutes at full exertion, our goal is to be able to go at full exertion in a variety of environments, dealing with unlimited variables, and normally employing/carrying assorted materiel and equipment where duration is determined by factors not under the control of a ref/clock or being able to slack up a bit by avoiding contact with the other guy in the circle.* There is no magic bullet, just hard work tailored to meet the needs of the individual so that your body performs in a manner to meet your goals.

ifiesta · 01-10-2008, 02:09

I respectfully disagree with the above comments. Wrestling is an EXCELLENT form of PT. Keep it up and mix it up with the typical boring military stuff (i.e. push-ups, sit-ups, pull-ups, etc...) and add some of the running and rucking. Gradually increase your reps for the cals and increase the mileage and decrease the times for the runs and rucking and your PHYSICAL prep will be up to par. Sounds like you have the PHYSICAL tools at this point if ask me...It's the MENTAL, positive, focused, determined, no-quit, MINDSET that will determine your faith in SOF training. Stay positive!!!

01-10-2008, 02:35

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Originally Posted by ifiesta

I respectfully disagree with the above comments.

Based on what SF experience?

Drop the first line, and your post is a statement based on your opinion. Fair enough. However, the Colonels made comments that were specific to Special Forces. Based on your profile, I don't see how you have the experience to disagree or agree with the opinions that they gave. Respectfully or otherwise.

ifiesta · 01-10-2008, 03:26

As I stated, wrestling is an excellent form of PT and with the additional preparation of running and rucking, he will be fine PHYSICALLY. It's the MENTAL aspect the is more important!!! No, I was never SF. I didn't realize that only SF rucks.

Then again, I may not be up to your standard Greenhat.

(sounds like the proverbial "old school" mentality -- treat them like s*** because they are the FNG's). Quit playing the machismo roll and start being a positive role model for these aspiring candidates. Support the guys and quit being so quick to knock them. It seems that this is fairly common thing with the current and retired operators on the board. I'm not disrespecting anyone here, just making an observation and would like to see more positive coaching/mentoring being done.

ifiesta · 01-10-2008, 03:52

Greenhat I forgot to mention that I joined this forum to gather useful information. Also, I don't want to come across as being an arrogant bast***, but I sincerely would want to see more positive responses. For the most part, it seems that the aspiring candidates are here to get some serious concerns answered, not to be talked down too. Boot (or basic...whatever it is called) Camp should take care of most of that and if they still have an attitude and don't cut the mustard in training they'll be weeded out (Or maybe not -- let's face it there are some booger-eater's who make it through). Anyway, have a great day.

ifiesta · 01-10-2008, 04:04

Anyone wanting my bio and/or names of retired SF references from me send me an email, I'll be glad to lend some credibility to the statements I've made. Have a great day!

**The Reaper** · 01-10-2008, 06:15

ifiesta:

Your comments on this thread, having never been SF, have about as much relevance as me telling someone how to prepare to do your job.

You are a guest here. Stay in your lane and be respectful.

BTW, I do not consider this a serious question.

TR

**Jack Moroney (RIP)** · 01-10-2008, 06:24

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Originally Posted by ifiesta

I respectfully disagree with the above comments. Wrestling is an EXCELLENT form of PT. Keep it up and mix it up with the typical boring military stuff (i.e. push-ups, sit-ups, pull-ups, etc...) and add some of the running and rucking. Gradually increase your reps for the cals and increase the mileage and decrease the times for the runs and rucking and your PHYSICAL prep will be up to par. Sounds like you have the PHYSICAL tools at this point if ask me...It's the MENTAL, positive, focused, determined, no-quit, MINDSET that will determine your faith in SOF training. Stay positive!!!

I do not disagree, but that was not the question he asked. And no, we do not do the "boring military stuff", that is baseline stuff. I am talking about particular requirements for skiing, scuba, long duration efforts without sleep and food, etc, etc, etc. You can be in the best physical and mental shape possible but fatigue "makes cowards of us all" and we are routinely pushed beyond our own self-determined physical and mental state. My answer has nothing to do with machismo, treating the FNG like crap which would not be tolerated by me BTW, or anything else other than to answer the lad in a straight forward way based on what we do and what I have personally experienced.

CoLawman · 01-10-2008, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

I wrestled both in high school and college ...

Now why does this not surprise me?

Dante · 01-10-2008, 09:27

Thanks for the responses. I realize now how out of shape I am and I will start fixing that ASAP. My whole goal with wrestling was to just build a base so I can start working out hard afterwards without worrying too much about injury. It ends in less than a month. It is a pretty good experience with teamwork. I'm not the best wrestler but I do my best and never quit. Anyways now that wrestling is almost over I am going to step it up and start working my ass off.

**The Reaper** · 01-10-2008, 09:47

Time spent doing good PT is rarely wasted.

TR