Mr. Harsey, this will interest you.

[JGarcia]

Years ago, here out west we used to have an Industry called: "The Timber Industry." Hundreds of thousands of rural people had good paying jobs in small communities, life and health insurance, etc. A good income for a very hard days work.

Well, along came the enviros, and their cause. The spotted owl.

Eventually through the courts, the eviros were able to close down much of the areas where timber was harvested. Because the Spotted Owl's numbers were decreasing, and that was due they said to habitat being destroyed by loggers and logging. So, people lost their livelihood forever, communities went belly up, and the timber industry is all but gone, out west.

Now it turns out, the Spotted Owl isn't threatend by loggers, but by another Owl, the Eastern something Owl. The Fish & Wildlife folks want to shoot these Owls, because there are too many of these eastern Owls.

The enviros were WRONG from the get go. Good going there.

http://www.redding.com/news/2007/apr...hers/#comments

Do you suppose an apology is on the way?

[mumbleypeg]

I have to say I f we had owl season in CA I would sign up!

[booker]

Ah the good old spotted owl. The eastern version of the tree hugger mascot is the red cockaded woodpecker. Now the enviro's are going onto industry land and looking for the birds, trying (in vain for the most part) to "derail the paper and timber industry". Apparently they want to follow the Sheryl Crow "one piece of TP" treatise...

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by booker

Ah the good old spotted owl. The eastern version of the tree hugger mascot is the red cockaded woodpecker. Now the enviro's are going onto industry land and looking for the birds, trying (in vain for the most part) to "derail the paper and timber industry". Apparently they want to follow the Sheryl Crow "one piece of TP" treatise...

Funny, since pulpwood is a renewable resource.

TR

[booker]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Funny, since pulpwood is a renewable resource.

TR

Many of the environmental crowd don't view it as being "renewable" because the stand rotation time may not be within a decade, thus making it too long for their small brains to comprehend .

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by booker

Many of the environmental crowd don't view it as being "renewable" because the stand rotation time may not be within a decade, thus making it too long for their small brains to comprehend .

Eastern half of the US has been heavily logged for more than five hundred years.

Other than the loss of old slow-growth timber, I don't see any shortage of trees, and apparently, neither does the timber industry.

Large sections of forest are under timber company management, and rotate through the growth cycle routinely. Timber prices, especially pulpwood, are soft right now, indicating more than adequate supply.

The enviro-whackos do not know what they are ranting about. Just another Socialist, liberal, anti-American cause.

TR

[Ret10Echo]

I figured the "leave the forest alone" herd would have been thinned a little after the devastating forest fires in Arizona that were attributed to the fact that the timber industry was not allowed into the areas to manage the forest. The amount of fuel that was provided turned what could have been a much lower impact event into devestation.

But I guess as the saying goes"...some people you just can't reach..."

[kachingchingpow]

"Tumult on the Mountain" written by Roy B. Clarkson is an excellent read if you'd like to understand what the eastern U.S. looked like back in the day. I read once in another book dating back the settlers, that a man could ride horseback from the Atlantic to the Mississsippi and not hit a tree limb.

There's some tree pictures from "Tumult on the Mountain" on this website:

http://www.patc.net/history/archive/virg_fst.html

Back on topic though:

Spotted Owl, Carolina Parakeet, Passenger Pigeon... taste like chicken.

[booker]

Originally Posted by kachingchingpow

"Tumult on the Mountain" written by Roy B. Clarkson is an excellent read if you'd like to understand what the eastern U.S. looked like back in the day. I read once in another book dating back the settlers, that a man could ride horseback from the Atlantic to the Mississsippi and not hit a tree limb.

Used it as reference reading for my thesis. Excellent read, quality info. What percentage of the enviro's live in houses? When they start living in sod houses then they can comment on the timber industry.


Part of the reason for the low timber prices are the slash and blowdowns from Katrina, price of wood went down not even a week after.

[Monsoon65]

A few weeks ago when I was flying, a friend of mine brought up logging in PA. He said to look at old Currier and Ives prints of Philly and the countryside in that area. In the background there are practically no trees!

Back in the day, what heated homes? I don't think any of the forests around Philly are old growth, but there still is plenty of trees, tho.

[kachingchingpow]

Can't complain I guess. My Mom's side is all from up in the "wildcat" district of PA. They were all lumberers fresh off the boat from Ireland. We've got strong representation from both sides of the Mason Dixon.

Poor trees. Nothin like an Irishmen with a hangover to saw the be-jeezus out of something.

Anyone watch the Duddy fight the other night? Now there's a mick with a hard noggin.

[HOLLiS]

Sort of a side note. If anyone lives in the Salem, Oregon area. I have lots of fire wood they can have. I will be removing 5 trees next week and still have a bunch of "fur" wood when we did a thinning cut of our woods.

H.

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