Ed Koch op-ed

12-29-2006, 15:08

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rubberneck · 12-29-2006, 15:22

I haven't always agreed with Koch but I do in this case. This country is in big trouble. As a nation we used to look at problems and only see solutions and opportunities to better our collective lives. Now all we want to do when faced with a problem is stick our head in the sand and scream until it all just goes away. We lack a national backbone.

**The Reaper** · 12-29-2006, 16:51

We also tend to avoid personal responsibility, and seek legal recourse far too often.

TR

echoes · 12-29-2006, 17:29

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

We also tend to avoid personal responsibility, and seek legal recourse far too often.

TR

Sir, Agreed.

Holly

12-29-2006, 19:35

I like Ed Koch. He wasn't the worst mayor NYC ever had (I think David Dinkins qualifies for that honor) and he always seemed to be trying to do his best.

Five-O · 12-30-2006, 07:10

Koch is a Dem who puts his country before his party. This seems to be a unique mindset insomuch as many Dems are/were happy for the US to fail in Iraq so they would have a better opportunity to point fingers and regain the majority in the Senate and Congress.

82ndtrooper · 01-02-2007, 02:56

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Originally Posted by Greenhat

I like Ed Koch. He wasn't the worst mayor NYC ever had (I think David Dinkins qualifies for that honor) and he always seemed to be trying to do his best.

Doing his best was not good enough. After all, Ed Koch spent more of the national tax payer dollars than any other NYC Mayor, even Guiliani after 9/11 2001. NYC runs much like a corporation, particularly regarding debt. NYC has alway's made lavish promises of benefits and subsidies for the " The Poor". NYC has long been a welfare state within itself and success in the city of politics was traditionally achieved by those promises, lavish or not. Only in NYC can a toll booth operator earn more than a college trained radiography tech. That reality is the lavish promise to "The Poor" only encouraging and promoting minimal academic achievment. Mayor Koch asked congress more than 10 times for loans to meet city payroll as a result of that hideous socialist ideology. By the way, when a city goes to congresss for a loan, it's essentially asking the NATIONAL tax payers to co-sign that loan. Great city? Yeah, if you dont mind alway's supporting it with your hard earned dollars. And, they dont even give us a discount to visit their city. So much for a vote huh ???

"Prosperity through insolvency" is and has been the mantra of NYC mayors since the Federal Reserve was created. OH yeah, the Federal Reserve is really a "CARTEL" but don't try telling Hillary Clinton, or J.D. Rockefeller that . Good Luck NYC. By the way............his op ed piece was decent, but I dont trust him to watch my dog.

01-02-2007, 03:15

I'm a NYer, born and raised. Don't much give a shit what somebody in the Kentucky suburbs of Cincinatti thinks about much of anything. If you haven't lived and worked in NYC for an extended period of time, I figure your opinion of NYC is just so much hot air.

82ndtrooper · 01-02-2007, 05:46

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Originally Posted by Greenhat

I'm a NYer, born and raised. Don't much give a shit what somebody in the Kentucky suburbs of Cincinatti thinks about much of anything. If you haven't lived and worked in NYC for an extended period of time, I figure your opinion of NYC is just so much hot air.

Actually I have worked in NYC for an extended time, 6 months to be exact. That was until some kooky Islamic fundamentalists ran two airliners into the WTC. I was working in the North tower, and staying at the Vista Hotel/WTC #5

No offense, but if you do not know the mechanisms of how NYC has survived it's terrible political and economic policy, not to mention it's insistance, be it polictical or social, on a far left liberal policy, then maybe a history lesson of your own home town is in order. Do not make the mistake of assuming that my patriotism for the events of 9/11 have been blurred by my distaste for NYC's infringement of most of the United States Consitution. One only has to look closely at the current Mayors antics for furthering gun control legislation to see that even in NYC republicans are driven by a socialist legislature or possibly a socialist people. Bloombergs recent attacks on the state of Va for firearm sales are evidence, muck like that of the Mayor of Chicago, is the preverbial "Tail wagging the dog" He seems to forget that Pataki is the Govenor, not him.

Yeah, I may be from the lowly state of Kentucky, and I may only harber a degree from a Kentucky state University, but I do know the facts. At the very least, my observations would likely gather a following of fellow hard line constitutionalists.

01-02-2007, 08:02

6 months? That's an extended vacation, nothing more.

Oh, and before you start slinging stones, why don't you do a little research on the cities in your area? Louisville or Cincinnatti, for example?

There is nothing unique about NYC and federal funds.

As for the liberalism of NYC, that is what the voters of NYC vote in. You don't like it, don't live there. I don't happen to like it either, but I recognize that in the total scheme of things, the good outweighs the bad by a pretty large amount in NYC. Something I can't say of Kentucky (and I lived and worked there for three years) in my opinion. I'd live in Manhattan again, I'd never live in Kentucky again. My opinion and my tastes. Obviously not yours. However, I would be cautious about shoving your opinion off as if it was fact.

rubberneck · 01-02-2007, 08:44

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Actually I have worked in NYC for an extended time, 6 months to be exact.

And here I thought that my 30+ years living in and around NYC qualified me to have an educated opinion about the city and it's history. I am glad that someone who has spent a grand total of 6 months living in the city could set me straight.

x SF med · 01-02-2007, 09:04

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And here I thought that my 30+ years living in and around NYC qualified me to have an educated opinion about the city and it's history. I am glad that someone who has spent a grand total of 6 months living in the city could set me straight.

Born and raised in Queens NY - left for College, Army, came back for 6 mos, College again which led to 14 yrs in TX, back in NY/NJ since Feb 2003. I love certain things about the City - prefer Upstate, detest the traffic, thinking about a major move. But all-in-all, I am a NYer due to my upbringing.

I've watched it go from a crime ridden sh** hole in the 70's to a vibrant and safe city now. I don't have to agree with the politics, nor the 'social entitlements' - but don't trash it until you've really lived here, there are aspects of NY that can't be matched anywhere else in the world, culturally and economically.

Six months, I've spent longer than that on TDY.

**The Reaper** · 01-02-2007, 12:46

I hope that everyone realizes that even if their toes have been stepped on, good manners are in order here.

There is no need for the responses to become ad hominem attacks or rude, despite the widely renowned reputation on NYC residents to be that way.

Try to use a little keener wit and finer sarcasm here if you must quarrel.

Have fun.

TR

CPTAUSRET · 01-02-2007, 13:50

Nancy has owned an apartment there for about 20 years "One Lincoln Plaza" is the address. Looks directly into the Met (15th floor I think), it is being gifted to our oldest daughter, so I don't see much of it.

x SF med · 01-02-2007, 14:03

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

I hope that everyone realizes that even if their toes have been stepped on, good manners are in order here.

There is no need for the responses to become ad hominem attacks or rude, despite the widely renowned reputation on NYC residents to be that way.

Try to use a little keener wit and finer sarcasm here if you must quarrel.

Have fun.

TR

Gotcha Boss, wilco.