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The first- there are 2 spaces after a period, always.
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x_sf_med,
I regret that I must inform you that a grammar rule that I too have long held as sacrosanct is no longer. It apparently went the way of the typewriter; never mind that I can't seem to keep myself from doing it anyway. I learned to type on a manual carriage return typewriter and old fingers have a hard time learning new tricks.
FMI, see http://www.webword.com/reports/period.html
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12-04-2006, 21:08
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Originally Posted by x_sf_med
The first- there are 2 spaces after a period, always.
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x_sf_med,
I regret that I must inform you that a grammar rule that I too have long held as sacrosanct is no longer. It apparently went the way of the typewriter; never mind that I can't seem to keep myself from doing it anyway. I learned to type on a manual carriage return typewriter and old fingers have a hard time learning new tricks.
FMI, see http://www.webword.com/reports/period.html
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Not according to Strunk and White, "The Elements of Style", Fourth Edition, which is the most common and accepted style guide.
Your cite is referring to the internet and users of proportional type fonts.
Your professional papers should reflect spacing as per Strunk and White.
TR
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12-05-2006, 07:30
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Originally Posted by x_sf_med
The first- there are 2 spaces after a period, always.
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x_sf_med,
I regret that I must inform you that a grammar rule that I too have long held as sacrosanct is no longer. It apparently went the way of the typewriter; never mind that I can't seem to keep myself from doing it anyway. I learned to type on a manual carriage return typewriter and old fingers have a hard time learning new tricks.
FMI, see http://www.webword.com/reports/period.html
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You really need to get the Harbrace College Handbook, The Elements of Style, Politics and the English Language, A Brief History of the English Language, Grammar and Style, and the MLA Handbook - these are the rulebooks by which all professional and scholarly are judged. It doesn't matter if the editions you get are a little old; the basic elements of grammar, style and punctuation do not change very quickly - and using a slightly outdated style is better than being a language maverick in the military. If you might wonder why I go postal about language - well, I do have a degree in English Literature, Language and Rhetoric, a supposedly useless degree by business standards, but, colleagues and co-workers seem to flock to me when proof reading or rewording is required... I would be happy to debate written English in another forum, should you or any of the other candidates so desire - ok?
Oh yeah - those 'web-style' guides are for lazy people who aren't motivated enough to really learn their native language - have you seen the barbaric things people do to language on the web?
English 101 rant suspended for now - but I'm fairly certain it will be returning soon to a thread on this board.
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12-05-2006, 11:29
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Gentlemen,
While I personnally agree with Strunk and White's wee book in all things, I was clued into this change by a coworker whose expertise in such matters is pretty close to complete.
I continue to follow the old rules (and have had editors change them on my grant proposals in the past), but not everyone does. The Economist magazine, for instance, has taken to the new rule.
As for the web reference, point taken. It could have been better.
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The MLA Handbook is the standard. The Economist, while a fine periodical, is not the authority on grammar, style and usage. The guy changing your grant proposals may have control issues.
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12-05-2006, 16:01
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1. This is the Introductions thread. The grammar thread properly belongs elsewhere.
2. A point has been made about the use of correct grammar.
3. Not everyone here has the benefit of advanced education.
4. I am a two space guy as well, but we are belaboring a very small point in the big scheme of things. For example, the board code reduces double spaces to single, so it is impossible to tell who is complying, or even cares.
5. Try to remain focused, and keep the larger purpose of the board and this thread in mind.
6. X, you can bring your "Harbrace Handbook" and "Elements of Style" over to my place for grammar and style arguments anytime. 
7. On with the introductions, and try to keep them readable. 
TR
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Thanks TR I was starting wonder when you guys were going to send him to the principals office. If you check this it might not have the right syntax, grammar or whatever, I don't care, just as long as you understand what I am trying to say. I was in SF for 24 years and can't remember any time a team was diqualified for a mission because improper use of the English language.
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