05-20-2006, 18:35
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The 'other side' of LeMas/BMT ammo.
I have no bone to pick with those who generally stand up for 'LeMas/BMT'. The ammo may or may not be a death ray...XXXXXXXXXXXXThere won't be any ad hominem attacks on this board: NDD
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05-20-2006, 18:40
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Pretty fucking bold statement by someone who has been a guest here for 6 days.
I have been a guest here for a little of 3 years and I would NEVER dare insult a long standing member of this forum EVER...let alone in my first 6 days on this forum. Good luck to you.
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05-20-2006, 18:45
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Steel Weasel,
let's stick to the discussion at hand..... forget anything written before and if everyone would ignore everything except facts presented, we'll get alot further on this.....
your reference to "a death ray" will get you banned from here ...remain smart
ss
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05-20-2006, 18:53
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Steel Weasel,
Don't I know you from LF and SOCNET? This is what you came here for? I don't remember you being this way.
Have you ever met Mr. Bulmer? Have you been a participant in any alleged communications between Mr. Bulmer and Roberts? The link you posted; what is it supposed to prove? Have you ever heard first hand Mr. Bulmer make a false claim?
Consider yourself advised.
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05-20-2006, 19:16
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SW:
Not sure what you are trying to accomplish here. Have you thought about the name of this board, and how your post would reflect on that?
Is character assasination and ad hominem attacks all that we can expect from new members these days? Dragging in dirty laundry from another board is a poor way to introoduce yourself.
Do you know Stan?
Have you fired the ammo?
Five-O, is this a buddy of yours?
TR
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05-20-2006, 20:44
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Roger Sir, know him well. I sent you PM.
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05-21-2006, 05:27
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Yikes!!! I 'guess' I have stepped on my crank with this post which I did not intend to. I intended to insult no one and offer my humble apologies. I merely wished to offer an alternate viewpoint on LeMas/BMT ammunition.
I have never met Stan, never shot the ammo, etc. I have however spoken to a ballistic research professional whom I trust, other than Dr. Gary Roberts, who was exceptionally critical of LeMas/BMT and Mr. Bulmer.
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05-21-2006, 08:11
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Originally Posted by Steel Weasel
Yikes!!! I 'guess' I have stepped on my crank with this post which I did not intend to. I intended to insult no one and offer my humble apologies. I merely wished to offer an alternate viewpoint on LeMas/BMT ammunition.
I have never met Stan, never shot the ammo, etc. I have however spoken to a ballistic research professional whom I trust, other than Dr. Gary Roberts, who was exceptionally critical of LeMas/BMT and Mr. Bulmer.
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SW:
An uninformed "alternate viewpoint" is baseless and unnecessary. Frankly, calling this thread "The 'other side' of LeMas/BMT ammo" without actually having fired any or having any personal knowledge of Stan makes you look rather ridiculous.
A personal attack on someone here based on what someone else told you is a pretty stupid way to get started on a new site, don't you think?
Gary Roberts is on this site several times every day.
Don't you think he can make his own arguments?
Just curious, did he or someone else ask you to come here and put up a post attacking Stan?
TR
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05-21-2006, 09:30
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Originally Posted by Steel Weasel
Yikes!!! I 'guess' I have stepped on my crank with this post which I did not intend to. I intended to insult no one and offer my humble apologies. I merely wished to offer an alternate viewpoint on LeMas/BMT ammunition.
I have never met Stan, never shot the ammo, etc. I have however spoken to a ballistic research professional whom I trust, other than Dr. Gary Roberts, who was exceptionally critical of LeMas/BMT and Mr. Bulmer.
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That is his opinion and he is of course free to express it. I would hope that you, as a professional, would reserve judgment until you have seen results for yourself, especially regarding character.
After all, we are talking about buying a box of ammo or two, not investing in the Hubble telescope.
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He knows only The Cause.
Still want to quit?
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05-21-2006, 16:04
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Asset
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
SW:
An uninformed "alternate viewpoint" is baseless and unnecessary. Frankly, calling this thread "The 'other side' of LeMas/BMT ammo" without actually having fired any or having any personal knowledge of Stan makes you look rather ridiculous.
A personal attack on someone here based on what someone else told you is a pretty stupid way to get started on a new site, don't you think?
Gary Roberts is on this site several times every day.
Don't you think he can make his own arguments?
Just curious, did he or someone else ask you to come here and put up a post attacking Stan?
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I simply posted a link to a post from some who is informed. I am no one's lackey.
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05-21-2006, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Steel Weasel
I simply posted a link to a post from some who is informed. I am no one's lackey.
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No one called you a lackey. He is a guest here, he can post his own links if he is so-inclined. In fact he was here yesterday at 12:58, well after the thread was started, and he was looking at the thread. He is more than welcome to post the report or whatever it was you linked to.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
Still want to quit?
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05-21-2006, 16:30
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Originally Posted by Steel Weasel
Yikes!!! I 'guess' I have stepped on my crank with this post which I did not intend to. I intended to insult no one and offer my humble apologies. I merely wished to offer an alternate viewpoint on LeMas/BMT ammunition.
I have never met Stan, never shot the ammo, etc. I have however spoken to a ballistic research professional whom I trust, other than Dr. Gary Roberts, who was exceptionally critical of LeMas/BMT and Mr. Bulmer.
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Originally Posted by Steel Weasel
I simply posted a link to a post from some who is informed. I am no one's lackey.
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Informed about what?
Let me guess. He was from Quantico.
You do as you see fit, but if someone asked me to go somewhere and post something derogatory about a member, I would have to wonder why. 
But that is just me, what do I know?
SW, most members come to contribute, learn, or both. Not too many come here to put up links to negative disccussions on other sites.
I hope that if you stick around, you find something of value here.
Good luck.
TR
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05-21-2006, 16:38
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I wonder, does anyone have any proof that LeMas ammunition does not perform in tissue as stated in The Surgeon's report? If so, I'd like to see it.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
Still want to quit?
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05-22-2006, 17:43
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Romad,
Once again, fill out your profile and post an introduction in the intros thread. This isn't an option here. If you want to discuss the issues, fine. But the people here want to know who they're talking to and what your qualifications are.
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05-22-2006, 18:05
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FTFSI!!!
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Originally Posted by Kyobanim
Romad,
Once again, fill out your profile and post an introduction in the intros thread. This isn't an option here. If you want to discuss the issues, fine. But the people here want to know who they're talking to and what your qualifications are.
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Give a guy a few minutes to comply, would ya? Mind bringing my post back?
I mind. You have neither the training or the experience to offer intelligent discussion on this subject.
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