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[rubberneck]

I heard an interview with Mr Robinson on the radio today and came away very impressed with him. No slickness surround this politican. He tells you exactly what he thinks. I also got a kick out of his tv ads.

http://vernonrobinson.com/twilightzone.shtml

[Goggles Pizano]

You have my support Vernon! Libs are gonna freak when they see this!

[MtnGoat]

That is a Great Ad.

Just sent the link to FOX and Friends. Lets see what happens.

[airborneFSO]

I'd vote for him, and others like him.

I thought the idea of a government was supposed to represent the people. People like this do nothing but drive further divisions among Americans.

Making a cartoon ad with flashpoints like:

Gays are evil and destroying the American way of life
Flag burning is destroying the American way of life
Abortion is murder and destroying the American way of life
Jesse Jackson has been arrested at some point
That the idea of god belongs in every school

Is not serving any of my interests in regards to what I want a government to do. Which is mainly protect me and stay the hell out of my personal life.

Seriously. I am a lot more worried about nuclear and biological terrorism than I am gay marriage. If people want to get married, it's none of my business.

I don't burn flags and I don't think it's a very mature way to present anger, but in a free country people have that right.

Abortion is really no one's business but the people involved.

Many social rights crusaders like Ghandi, Malcom X and Martin Luther King were all put in jail at some point or another. Doesn't make them criminals.

As for god in schools, we have freedom of religion. In my home, we're not raising our child religious. Do I care if she says one nation under god? Not at all. But I know people who do care about that, pro and con. That's their right to be upset about it and it's their civic responsibility to voice that if they feel strongly enough because democracy is participatory and not exclusionary.

At the end of the day there is a separation between church and state but it is historical text and I believe it should be preserved as is.

This ad campaign is just another smear piece that looks like it came off of Jerry Springer. What about bringing our country back together? What about offering some solutions instead of waving flags and talking about the good old days. This reeks of the same fundamentalist crap that Mullah's sell the jihadi's in Iraq.

America is godless and destroying Iraq
Christian Zionist puppets are destroying Islam
They will slaughter our children for oil

Etc. etc. And surprise, surprise...those folks don't have a plan to fix their country either.

If anything, this kind of crap makes me long for the days of statesmen like Lincoln, FDR or JFK.

j

[Five-O]

This will be good

[sf11b_p]

It may be easier to get people to hate than work together but his message had nothing to do with hate. Is it that you haven’t experienced true hate that your ready to label anything disagreeable with your beliefs or not ending with a group hug hate?

The government does represent the people, but it can’t represent every persons ideals in every case. The government has to choose the majority of right over the many beliefs of all the individuals and compromise to a degree.

You gave your take on what the ad said. My take is concern with devaluing morals and devaluing religion while appeasing liberals and atheists. Flag burning is open defacement the symbol of this country, but more the point is it’s done mostly to aggravate people and as a show of solidarity against the principles of this country. Abortion is killing, the major reason it’s done is birth is an inconvenience to lifestyle. Jesse Jackson has been arrested and jailed, what’s your point. God certainly doesn’t deserve to be kicked out of school, no more than any other opinion or belief. Unless your belief in freedom of religion and speech ends where it interferes with you.

Being put in jail and found guilty makes you a criminal, again what’s your point.

No ones demanding anyone say prayer or use the word God, but people are denying the right to say a prayer or the word God.

Just because a plan takes longer or may be more fluid than you like doesn't mean there isn't a plan. WWII took a few years, there were prison camps, and at the end there wasn't a clear immediate plan for the occupation of either Germany or Japan.

As for pulling the country together the people saying they want their personal lives left alone should be working with their neighbors instead of waiting for the government to dab their eyes and wipe their butts. Unity is one language one loyalty working together with room to grow, honor personal beliefs, and pass on traditions.

Originally Posted by eva05

If anything, this kind of crap makes me long for the days of statesmen like Lincoln, FDR or JFK.

Any one of those three would probably shock you were they using their leadership, beliefs and opinion now.

[Sacamuelas]

Originally Posted by eva05

This reeks of the same fundamentalist crap that Mullah's sell the jihadi's in Iraq.

America is godless and destroying Iraq
Christian Zionist puppets are destroying Islam
They will slaughter our children for oil

Etc. etc. And surprise, surprise...those folks don't have a plan to fix their country either.

If anything, this kind of crap makes me long for the days of statesmen like Lincoln, FDR or JFK.

j

LOL

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

It may be easier to get people to hate than work together but his message had nothing to do with hate. Is it that you haven’t experienced true hate that your ready to label anything disagreeable with your beliefs or not ending with a group hug hate?

I grew up around enough racist bigots who kicked my ass six ways to sunday every week to know all about hate. To me that commercial reeked of it. I've seen just as much crap come out of the Democrats demonizing music, the Internet, board games, etc.

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

The government does represent the people, but it can’t represent every persons ideals in every case. The government has to choose the majority of right over the many beliefs of all the individuals and compromise to a degree.

I'm with you there.

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

My take is concern with devaluing morals and devaluing religion while appeasing liberals and atheists.

Morals are something an individual decides for themselves IMHO

What if the religion was Islam? To those folks, an awful lot of pretty disturbing stuff is moral. BTW I am not a fan of any religion, just using this as an example.

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

Abortion is killing, the major reason it’s done is birth is an inconvenience to lifestyle.

I've known 3 women who had to have an abortion over the course of my life. It was not a inconvenience to lifestyle in any case. For one of them, it followed a rape. In all cases, it still torments them to this day. Most people do not take this kind of thing lightly.

In each case, it weighed heavily upon them...but what is a high school girl who's been knocked up by someone supposed to do? It's real easy to preach from the sidelines and point fingers and say what's right and wrong.

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

God certainly doesn’t deserve to be kicked out of school, no more than any other opinion or belief. Unless your belief in freedom of religion and speech ends where it interferes with you.

Anyone can pray in school if they want. I don't care. I think the argument is don't make my kid pray in school.

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

Being put in jail and found guilty makes you a criminal, again what’s your point.

That being arrested and having a mug shot doesn't mean you've been in jail, found guilty of anything or even had a trial (at least in NY and NJ). Last summer two friends of mine were incorrectly identified at a murder scene in NYC (you may have heard about it...a bouncer got stabbed at a club, but I digress).

They were taken in, photographed and held for 24 hours. At which point the police released them when they established it was a case of mistaken identity. The local papers had their mugs posted on the front page with headlines like "Murderers!" Of course there was no front page headlines for them that they'd been released and found innocent.

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

No ones demanding anyone say prayer or use the word God, but people are denying the right to say a prayer or the word God.

Yeah and that is silly. As I said before, I don't care who prays to who.

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

Just because a plan takes longer or may be more fluid than you like doesn't mean there isn't a plan. WWII took a few years, there were prison camps, and at the end there wasn't a clear immediate plan for the occupation of either Germany or Japan.

I have no idea what you are responding to here. I was (and continue to be) in favor of our presence in Iraq.

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

As for pulling the country together the people saying they want their personal lives left alone should be working with their neighbors instead of waiting for the government to dab their eyes and wipe their butts. Unity is one language one loyalty working together with room to grow, honor personal beliefs, and pass on traditions.

If that belief is freedom of an individual then we are in the same camp. I'm not looking for anyone to wipe my eyes, ass or other body parts ;-)

Of course there's room to pass on personal beliefs and traditions. I've got a little girl at home and she has different beliefs than the Jewish kids across the street and the Mormon kids of one of my friends that she plays with every so often.

My whole point is that unity comes from a plan. I run the creative department at an interactive company in NYC. My boss would've never hired me if I went in there saying X, Y and Z sucks and you need me! I went in there saying I've done X, Y and Z and I can bring this to the table here.

Leaders don't waste time point fingers, they're too busy working to solve things IMO

Originally Posted by sf11b_p

Any one of those three would probably shock you were they using their leadership, beliefs and opinion now.

I doubt that very much.

JFK, FDR and Lincoln were all for expanding the rights of Americans(regardless of race, religion) and protecting the union.

j