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Old 08-17-2020, 07:32   #1
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I am torn between thinking this guy got rail-roaded by A$$h0 Cuomo and NY DA's and maybe he does need help.

It reads like he was arrested in NORTH CAROLINA on some sort of BOLA generated by his family in NEW YORK????


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16 Aug 2020
The Buffalo News | By Thomas J. Prohaska

Timothy A. Payne, the double amputee Army veteran who pleaded guilty to a felony gun possession last year after his arrest in North Tonawanda, is now in a state mental institution.

Payne, appearing in Niagara County Veterans Court Dec. 19, pleaded guilty to criminal possession of a firearm, which carries a maximum four-year prison sentence.

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Old 08-17-2020, 10:52   #2
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Old 08-17-2020, 12:11   #3
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I am torn between thinking this guy got rail-roaded by A$$h0 Cuomo and NY DA's and maybe he does need help.

It reads like he was arrested in NORTH CAROLINA on some sort of BOLA generated by his family in NEW YORK????
No, the article says he was arrested in Upstate NY. He lives in Raleigh, and the firearm he was in possession of in NY would have been legal in NC, which is neither here nor there since he was in NY. He reportedly traveled to North Tonawanda, NY, to talk to the mayor. I'm guessing the chat set off some bells and whistles, since a police officer he interacted with there thought he needed a mental health evaluation.

It sounds like at some point his vehicle was searched. Was it a probable cause search, a search warrant, or with consent? The article doesn't say.

The article is not well written and the article's title (and this post's title) is misleading. He was arrested for a felony gun possession, but he was not a "felon in possession of a gun."

If the article has accurately reported his social media posts, he clearly needs help. And remember, his family reportedly called the police - they know more about his mental state than we do. (However, the police that arrested him on the gun charges were not aware of the BOLO initiated by the call from his family.)

Yes, NY gun laws suck. But those are the laws. The DA was and is willing to drop gun charges if the veteran completes a mental health program . I doubt he'd cut you or me the same slack if we got pulled over with handgun in NY. I don't see how he's being shafted.

Unfortunately, one of the difficulties in dealing with "consumers of mental health services" (this is one of the new PC terms that is replacing Emotionally Disturbed Persons, or EDPs) is that their mental illness itself prevents them from believing they need treatment. So it's not surprising that the veteran didn't follow through on his part of the plea deal to get treatment.

(Again, that article is confusing so it's not completely clear what treatment the veteran did, when he was committed, etc.)


I deal with threat management of emotionally disturbed people at work. Not 100% of my time, and I am not an expert. It's interesting work but also sad to see normal functioning folks descend into mental illness. They may be threatening to hurt someone, but these are rarely bad people. I have had some "There but for the grace of God go I" moments.

It is accepted that people with PTSD exhibit symptoms associated with schizophrenia at a higher rate than those without PTSD. There's the question of whether people susceptible to PTSD are also inclined to schizophrenia due to genetics, or if having PTSD leads to the psychosis.

There's also misdiagnosis. If vet starts to have psychotic symptoms, he will likely get a PTSD with psychosis symptoms diagnosis due to his prior military service. But perhaps he was going to be schizophrenic regardless and it has nothing to do with his prior military service?

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