Fear of overdose

[cbtengr]

"Ohio city councilman proposes BANNING opioid addicts from getting Narcan after their second overdose......"

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Personally I do not think this guy is too far off base with his proposal to allow you only two rescues from your own stupidity, in fact I think he might even be considered as too generous. If you knowingly inject harmful drugs into your body and that results in the tax payer having to save your life multiple times, you are abusing the system and there should be no room in society for the likes of you. You are not my problem.

[trinity]

As an EMT, it's not my job to decide who lives and who dies. If I refuse to treat a patient, even the "frequent flyer", I lose my license, permanently. The lawsuits that would ensue from such a policy would be far more costly than all of the doses of Narcan.

[SF_BHT]

Never fly.... Lawyers will be lining up for the payday if they enacted something like that.

[Old Dog New Trick]

While I don't agree with sustaining stupidity and personally feel that if you are dumb enough to inject, snort, smoke or stick something in your eye that may kill you you might just deserve to die a horrible death.

Now, having said that, when I was doing my EMT-P training and re-certification rides, every EMT or police officer I knew thought it was a genuine honor to ruin a good high with Narcan. Few drugies were truly happy with the fact that you just came along and wasted all the money they spent and all the trouble they went to breaking into houses and cars to buy their heroine or whatever.

Saw and heard a lot of "why in the f_ck did you just stick that sh!t into me!"

The congressman would be better off just canceling the whole program that untrained police are using life saving class III controlled substances in the daily conduct of their jobs. The liability is too high and the cost of stocking and maintaining Narcan by the departments is a burden the tax payers shouldn't have to bear.

[trinity]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Now, having said that, when I was doing my EMT-P training and re-certification rides, every EMT or police officer I knew thought it was a genuine honor to ruin a good high with Narcan.

The preferred method now is intra-nasal spray, administered slowly and titrated to return of spontaneous breathing. Makes them a LOT less testy and combative when they come off their high slowly.

[trinity]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Never fly.... Lawyers will be lining up for the payday if they enacted something like that.

The city councilman who proposed it is a lawyer. . .

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by trinity

The preferred method now is intra-nasal spray, administered slowly and titrated to return of spontaneous breathing. Makes them a LOT less testy and combative when they come off their high slowly.

Is everything 'kinder and gentler' these days?

[PRB]

Save the life but make it painful in the pocket book......or find a way to make them pay, garnish wages etc.....

[cbtengr]

It's just another form of recycling, the human form. Worthless individuals in a revolving door of tax payer kindness. My son is an RN out in San Francisco he sees the same junkies and losers get cleaned up discharged and then later readmitted. Just how far is our compassion suppose to extend?

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

It's just another form of recycling, the human form. Worthless individuals in a revolving door of tax payer kindness. My son is an RN out in San Francisco he sees the same junkies and losers get cleaned up discharged and then later readmitted. Just how far is our compassion suppose to extend?

They'll just move to Seattle. The mayor up there loves homeless junkies more than school aged kids.

[trinity]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Is everything 'kinder and gentler' these days?

Actually, it's self-preservation. Slow push means a less combative patient.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by trinity

The city councilman who proposed it is a lawyer. . .

That doesn't mean he is a good one. I have known a lot of worthless lawyers.

[Flagg]

A while back I posted(not sure if here/elsewhere) on the opioid epidemic.

IIRC, during a period between 2007-2011 in the Mid-Atlantic region total prescribed opioid active ingredient exploded approx 50x, due to increasingly stronger pills being distributed and prescribed.

Just crazy numbers.......

Found it:

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...74&postcount=4

What the heck is going on?

[JJ_BPK]

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Parents of brain-damaged baby lose fight to keep him on life support

The mother and father of a brain-damaged 11-month-old baby on Friday were sitting bedside with the boy after losing a legal battle that would have kept the boy on life support. The Wall Street Journal reported that doctors at the Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children in London, who are caring for Charlie Gard received permission from a court to discontinue life support. The boy’s parents objected to the decision and wanted to take him to the U.S. for an unproven, experimental therapy.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2017/0...e-support.html

My brother died at age 49 as a result of his alcohol & drug addictions. Up until the day he died, he would not admit the problem,, it was someone else fault for his condition.

I don't have a solution, but I am leery of any test that would be used to deny medical care.

After the first "law",, it will be easy to add other afflictions,,
because they are similar,, and convenient,, and save money..

[trinity]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

That doesn't mean he is a good one. I have known a lot of worthless lawyers.

Yes, but the thought crossed my mind that his proposal might benefit him professionally. . .