Another reason why not to legalize pot

[TOMAHAWK9521]

I was wondering when this would finally go national. A close friend of mine is a nurse in Loveland, CO working in cardiology and physical therapy. When we last spoke last spring, she was telling me how much she regretted ever voting for legalizing pot in Colorado. Prior to working with patients who happen to be chronic pot smokers, she had never heard of this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mysterio...th-legal-weed/

I still expect the champions of 64, or whichever ballot it was they voted to get pot legal in CO, will be frothing at the mouth in vehement denial about this.

[CAARNG 68W]

Sounds like a TV disease

[Remington Raidr]

Originally Posted by TOMAHAWK9521

I was wondering when this would finally go national. A close friend of mine is a nurse in Loveland, CO working in cardiology and physical therapy. When we last spoke last spring, she was telling me how much she regretted ever voting for legalizing pot in Colorado. Prior to working with patients who happen to be chronic pot smokers, she had never heard of this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mysterio...th-legal-weed/

I still expect the champions of 64, or whichever ballot it was they voted to get pot legal in CO, will be frothing at the mouth in vehement denial about this.

THIS is the kind of information that will put a damper on people's desire to smoke MJ. The hardcore will do it anyhow, but I think that just like in the 60's when it was "Kool", the user will be separated by everyone else who was an experimenter, that knows or realizes that weed is just another dead end. They majority of people don't use it, but it is wrong to make criminals out of those who do.

[JGC2]

This sounds like at most a reason not to smoke it, rather than a reason for it to be illegal. Those are two very different things in my opinion.

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by TOMAHAWK9521

I was wondering when this would finally go national. A close friend of mine is a nurse in Loveland, CO working in cardiology and physical therapy. When we last spoke last spring, she was telling me how much she regretted ever voting for legalizing pot in Colorado. Prior to working with patients who happen to be chronic pot smokers, she had never heard of this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mysterio...th-legal-weed/

I still expect the champions of 64, or whichever ballot it was they voted to get pot legal in CO, will be frothing at the mouth in vehement denial about this.

I reckon the costs are high for legalised marijuana.

Higher lung cancer rates per person than for tobacco smoking.

Higher mental health consequences.

Higher risk of impaired operator caused accidents.

Higher THC levels from relentless competitive commercial improvement/iterations.

But how do all of those costs(and others) stack up against reduced law enforcement/judicial/prison costs and increased taxation revenue?

[JJ_BPK]

Any time you start analyzing the problem using words like CRONIC & LONG TERM user, you get to win a prize..

Nothing to see here,, move along,,

The Ministry of Truth,
Choom Gang member,
and Stoner in Charge..

[Golf1echo]

I saw that on the local news. Imagine that, smoke doesn't belong in the lungs and excess carbon is a challenge for the body to process.

I was selfishly hoping many other States would legalize marijuana to share in the 2nd and 3rd effects. Here there are double digit categories of beggars, homeless, and mentally ill subscribing to the paradox of self medication....now in the cold it is very sad to see, no doubt some will not make it through this Winter. I see the police up and down the front range trying to break up the homeless camps and get these folks into shelters, one more sketchy blanket isn't going to do it in negative temps. Then there are the beggars, like many places it can be a deception with pan handlers with many wearing very nice kit and driving to their stage, others trying to survive bad choices...the point here is it is constant and incessant...every where you go. I haven't figured out how they license grow operations yet but they are growing a massive amount of ganja in this town, making renting a larger spaces for business more expensive than in traditional markets where there are not such pressures. Far more than the only two Retail shops in an adjacent town can sell, medical outlets are much more prevalent but still?

Not that it matters but I always thought it should be decriminalized not legalized but I understand that would interfere with revenue from taxation. Besides lets face it, this grand experiment here in Colorado was fast paced into existence and the long term costs really have yet to be dealt with nor fully understood. We know the costs of smoking and alcohol abuse so we should be able to project long term costs of legalizing marijuana and they will be significant.

Remember the add of two young men in their parents basement laughing at an add cautioning of the abuses," Nothing ever happens to me. Yeah nothing ever happens to me either"...

[Golf1echo]

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Sounds exactly how I feel, if I eat my neighbor's chili a couple of days in a row. I'll have to see if a hot shower helps.

[Divemaster]

I'm more worried about the increase in impaired drivers, which can directly impact me and mine, than I am about the internal effects on some red-eyed slacker with no more ambition than getting to and from the local pot shop.

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by Divemaster

I'm more worried about the increase in impaired drivers, which can directly impact me and mine, than I am about the internal effects on some red-eyed slacker with no more ambition than getting to and from the local pot shop.

Concur!

[Scimitar]

I love this paraphrased quote from the CBS clip.

Now that I'm off the MJ, my symptoms have gone; no more throwing up, no more abdomonal pain. So now my motivation has returned.

LMAO, no chance it was the MJ and not the pain causing lack of mitivation.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

S

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by Divemaster

I'm more worried about the increase in impaired drivers, which can directly impact me and mine, than I am about the internal effects on some red-eyed slacker with no more ambition than getting to and from the local pot shop.

That's the question I keep asking:

What is the legal definition of inpairment for marijuana/cannabis?

I have to admit to being generally Pro legalization for what I believe to be net positive total measurable costs.

But I am hung up on the definition of impairment.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

You should be more concerned about the drivers around you who are using cell phones when you're in your car. Not everybody smokes pot. But damn near everyone has cell phones. And I see jackasses around me who are texting/talking and not paying attention to their driving every time I'm behind the wheel, without exception. Having your attention diverted by your cell phone while driving causes at least as much impairment as being intoxicated.

Also, lets not forget that both tobacco and alcohol are perfectly legal, kill thousands each year, have zero therapeutic value, and nobody is freaking out about them. I don't know if people are aware of this, but if you smoke too many cigarettes or drink too much booze, those will both make you barf as well. This is the first time I've heard of CHS. But there's a simple and elegant solution, and it's this thing called moderation.

In CO alone in 2015, tax revenue from dispensary sales was around $130 million. But who needs things like good roads and good schools? Our dipshit legislators here in NE are flipping out right now because we share a border with CO. I am reminded of a not dissimilar situation involving gambling and casinos here in the 90's. Casinos were on the ballot, and lost, because the people in charge here (along with the majority of voters at the time) are a bunch of uptight puritans. IA was like "We'll take those casinos." Council Bluffs IA, which I can see from my window from across the river, used to be a total shithole. Care to guess what happend? I'll tell you. IA got those casinos. So now, Council Bluffs is transformed. Good roads. Good schools. Public art. A nice place to visit and live. NE could have had all of those wonderful things, but because a bunch of stuffed shirts are in charge here, all of that revenue goes across the river now. Hell, I too go across the river now to shop and see movies, because it's NICE over there!

If the concern is that you're going to have impaired people around you because pot is legal, I've got news. Before it was legal, you still had impaired people around you. Go to your nearest bar, and I can guarantee that place will be packed full of impaired people.

You can have the illusion of safety or you can have freedom. Choose one. I can't speak for anybody else, but I'll choose freedom every time. No contest.

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by DJ Urbanovsky

You should be more concerned about the drivers around you who are using cell phones when you're in your car. Not everybody smokes pot. But damn near everyone has cell phones. And I see jackasses around me who are texting/talking and not paying attention to their driving every time I'm behind the wheel, without exception. Having your attention diverted by your cell phone while driving causes at least as much impairment as being intoxicated.

Also, lets not forget that both tobacco and alcohol are perfectly legal, kill thousands each year, have zero therapeutic value, and nobody is freaking out about them. I don't know if people are aware of this, but if you smoke too many cigarettes or drink too much booze, those will both make you barf as well. This is the first time I've heard of CHS. But there's a simple and elegant solution, and it's this thing called moderation.

In CO alone in 2015, tax revenue from dispensary sales was around $130 million. But who needs things like good roads and good schools? Our dipshit legislators here in NE are flipping out right now because we share a border with CO. I am reminded of a not dissimilar situation involving gambling and casinos here in the 90's. Casinos were on the ballot, and lost, because the people in charge here (along with the majority of voters at the time) are a bunch of uptight puritans. IA was like "We'll take those casinos." Council Bluffs IA, which I can see from my window from across the river, used to be a total shithole. Care to guess what happend? I'll tell you. IA got those casinos. So now, Council Bluffs is transformed. Good roads. Good schools. Public art. A nice place to visit and live. NE could have had all of those wonderful things, but because a bunch of stuffed shirts are in charge here, all of that revenue goes across the river now. Hell, I too go across the river now to shop and see movies, because it's NICE over there!

If the concern is that you're going to have impaired people around you because pot is legal, I've got news. Before it was legal, you still had impaired people around you. Go to your nearest bar, and I can guarantee that place will be packed full of impaired people.

You can have the illusion of safety or you can have freedom. Choose one. I can't speak for anybody else, but I'll choose freedom every time. No contest.

Agreed...moderation in everything is a good idea. With the possible exceptions of heterosexual sex and buying guns/ammo.