Heads-up to CCW holders in Virginia and elsewhere

[Ret10Echo]

Heads up to those in and around the mid-Atlantic. Things just became more complex.

Be safe

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Virginia will no longer recognize concealed handgun
permits from more than two dozen states that have less stringent laws.
Attorney General Mark Herring said Tuesday that the state will revoke its reciprocity agreement with
25 states after a review found that their permit requirements are weaker than Virginia’s. The change
takes effect Feb. 1.
Herring says those states hand out permits to people who are barred from getting one under Virginia
law, including fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers. He says it’s a common sense step that
will help keep concealed weapons out of the hands of dangerous and irresponsible people.

Full story from WTOP here

[Dusty]

The CCW fracas is another can of worms that would disappear with a non-rino, non-dem POTUS.

I'm hoping concealed carry becomes a requirement in a couple years.

[The Reaper]

Sucks to have a NC CCW now.

I guess we have to lock them up when passing through the garden spots of VA.

God forbid that the 99.9% of NC CCW holders should exercise their 2A rights to prevent being a victim of some felonious Virginian.

TR

[Sdiver]

So, if I'm reading this right ...

He says it’s a common sense step that will help keep concealed weapons out of the hands of dangerous and irresponsible people.

... Mr. Herring is saying that people in other states, who legally have a CCW, issued by their State and or Sheriff's Dept. are "dangerous and irresponsible people."

Am I reading that correctly?

[Box]

ha....
Virginia
pfftt........ i'll find another state to visit

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

So, if I'm reading this right ...



... Mr. Herring is saying that people in other states, who legally have a CCW, issued by their State and or Sheriff's Dept. are "dangerous and irresponsible people."

Am I reading that correctly?

Much more; the "authoritahs" in that state are incompetent, uncaring, negligent and, oh btw, ultimately he wants you disarmed anyway. But you know that.

Everytime one of those turds says "common sense" I want to bitch-slap them.

[DanHeller88]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Much more; the "authoritahs" in that state are incompetent, uncaring, negligent and, oh btw, ultimately he wants you disarmed anyway. But you know that.

Everytime one of those turds says "common sense" I want to bitch-slap them.

It is amazing how "common sense" can mean such drastically different things apparently. I was wrong for all these years, apparently criminalizing someone for following the law and practicing their rights is "common sense".

[Joker]

If I was the governor of one of the "shamed" states, I would not accept the vehicle registration or drivers licenses of Virginia in my state. If it was a bordering state I would impose a transport tax of double the resale value of any products transporting my state via road, rail, or waterways.

[Dusty]

VA's not even a state. I've been circumnavigating that place for decades. Reminds me of Vermont, for some reason.

[Red Flag 1]

I have to wonder if other states will respond in kind to our Gov's bonehead stunt?

[Old Dog New Trick]

Absurd, I can assure you in Washington (the state not the cesspool in Virginia) you have to pass an FBI fingerprint and NICS background check and pay $50 (+$10 for fingerprints) to get a state issued CPL.

I know of no known "criminals, convicted people, or convicted drug dealers" who would bother to subject themselves to such scrutiny and associated costs; To be turned down.

Joker- I love your idea, too bad the governors of implicated states don't have the balls to say your drivers license and vehicle registration is simply not good here. Too many drunks, drug users and careless drivers in Virginia.

[Divemaster]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Absurd, I can assure you in Washington (the state not the cesspool in Virginia) you have to pass an FBI fingerprint and NICS background check and pay $50 (+$10 for fingerprints) to get a state issued CPL.

I know of no known "criminals, convicted people, or convicted drug dealers" who would bother to subject themselves to such scrutiny and associated costs; To be turned down.

However, the reason the Washington permit has reciprocity in so few states is because we have absolutely no training requirement. Any state that requires some training does not recognize the WA permit.

Idaho* North Dakota*** Kansas Ohio Louisiana Oklahoma Michigan** Tennessee North Carolina Utah
* Idaho Enhanced Permit only. ** This states does not recognize non-resident concealed pistol licenses issued by Washington state. *** Class 1 ND permits only.
(http://www.atg.wa.gov/concealed-weapon-reciprocity)

One way (legally) around this is to obtain CCW's from multiple states. I went through http://www.fridayharborgunrunners.com/ and took their class that meets the requirements for Arizona, Utah, and Oregon. Oregon recognizes no other state's CCW, while the other two have reciprocity with several states. Having permits from WA, OR, AZ, and UT allows a person to carry in over 30 states.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Divemaster

However, the reason the Washington permit has reciprocity in so few states is because we have absolutely no training requirement. Any state that requires some training does not recognize the WA permit.

One way (legally) around this is to obtain CCW's from multiple states. I went through http://www.fridayharborgunrunners.com/ and took their class that meets the requirements for Arizona, Utah, and Oregon. Oregon recognizes no other state's CCW, while the other two have reciprocity with several states. Having permits from WA, OR, AZ, and UT allows a person to carry in over 30 states.

yeah I'm just being pernicious.

Nowhere in the BOR does it state one has to have training to exercise a right. Only the states have used their unconstitutional authority to impose a special tax on the law abiding citizens and now without equal representation.

It's time to come up with a National card for concealed carry and the only requirement should be that you are not "prevented" from possession/use/carriage due to a criminal conviction or mental disorder of a magnitude that you are unfit and a danger to self or others.

Too many federally unconstitutional state rules and laws make the "Privileges and Immunities Clause" and the 10A invalid. Any "license or permit" issued in one state should have to be honored in all states.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Nowhere in the BOR does it state one has to have training to exercise a right. Only the states have used their unconstitutional authority to impose a special tax on the law abiding citizens and now without equal representation.

“No state shall convert a liberty into a license, and charge a fee therefore.” (Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105)

“If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity.” (Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, Alabama, 373 U.S. 262)

Well, that (both SCOTUS decisions) should've ended the lesson yet here we are.
Tipping point not reached... yet.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Tipping Points not reached yet...

As a side note: on 01/01/2016 the standard drivers license for five states will not get you on an airplane.

Sucks to be one of 68% of Americans who won't have a valid form of picture ID to travel via air.

Maybe they should put pictures on CCW licenses. (I realize most do but some don't.)