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Old 11-01-2015, 15:34   #1
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NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

Yup lots of "bad" science exposed, again, by NASA. I'm sure these guys are now looking for a new job. All those "global warming" morons can go f**K themselves.






NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses


A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.

“We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. “Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica – there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas.” Zwally added that his team “measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas.”

Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking from the changes in surface height that are measured by the satellite altimeters. In locations where the amount of new snowfall accumulating on an ice sheet is not equal to the ice flow downward and outward to the ocean, the surface height changes and the ice-sheet mass grows or shrinks.

But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica’s growth to reverse, according to Zwally. “If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they’ve been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don’t think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses.”

The study analyzed changes in the surface height of the Antarctic ice sheet measured by radar altimeters on two European Space Agency European Remote Sensing (ERS) satellites, spanning from 1992 to 2001, and by the laser altimeter on NASA’s Ice, Cloud, and land Elevation Satellite (ICESat) from 2003 to 2008.

Zwally said that while other scientists have assumed that the gains in elevation seen in East Antarctica are due to recent increases in snow accumulation, his team used meteorological data beginning in 1979 to show that the snowfall in East Antarctica actually decreased by 11 billion tons per year during both the ERS and ICESat periods. They also used information on snow accumulation for tens of thousands of years, derived by other scientists from ice cores, to conclude that East Antarctica has been thickening for a very long time.

“At the end of the last Ice Age, the air became warmer and carried more moisture across the continent, doubling the amount of snow dropped on the ice sheet,” Zwally said.

The extra snowfall that began 10,000 years ago has been slowly accumulating on the ice sheet and compacting into solid ice over millennia, thickening the ice in East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica by an average of 0.7 inches (1.7 centimeters) per year. This small thickening, sustained over thousands of years and spread over the vast expanse of these sectors of Antarctica, corresponds to a very large gain of ice – enough to outweigh the losses from fast-flowing glaciers in other parts of the continent and reduce global sea level rise.

Zwally’s team calculated that the mass gain from the thickening of East Antarctica remained steady from 1992 to 2008 at 200 billion tons per year, while the ice losses from the coastal regions of West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula increased by 65 billion tons per year.

“The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away,” Zwally said. “But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for.”

“The new study highlights the difficulties of measuring the small changes in ice height happening in East Antarctica,” said Ben Smith, a glaciologist with the University of Washington in Seattle who was not involved in Zwally’s study.

"Doing altimetry accurately for very large areas is extraordinarily difficult, and there are measurements of snow accumulation that need to be done independently to understand what’s happening in these places,” Smith said.

To help accurately measure changes in Antarctica, NASA is developing the successor to the ICESat mission, ICESat-2, which is scheduled to launch in 2018. “ICESat-2 will measure changes in the ice sheet within the thickness of a No. 2 pencil,” said Tom Neumann, a glaciologist at Goddard and deputy project scientist for ICESat-2. “It will contribute to solving the problem of Antarctica’s mass balance by providing a long-term record of elevation changes.”

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/...er-than-losses
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Old 11-01-2015, 17:49   #2
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To help accurately measure changes in Antarctica, NASA is developing the successor to the ICESat mission, ICESat-2, which is scheduled to launch in 2018. “ICESat-2 will measure changes in the ice sheet within the thickness of a No. 2 pencil,” said Tom Neumann, a glaciologist at Goddard and deputy project scientist for ICESat-2. “It will contribute to solving the problem of Antarctica’s mass balance by providing a long-term record of elevation changes.”
Let's see:

a. More snow started falling 10,000 years ago.
b. They can't seem to balance the books on matters of hundredths of an inch in terms of gained mass causing sea level to rise (Note for scientists: Sea level is sea level; you should really say that someone else's stuff is sinking - that'll really get the funding rolling in.)
c. They're gonna spend a boatload of money to start a new-generation program to quantify all this stuff. (Them folks on the south pole are gonna need some heavy breeding rotations to stick around, like, for a period of time that equates to the time since the last ice age.)

They may put a bunch of numbers on paper but, frankly, I don't think they can "solve" shit. But, hey, whatever floats your ice-breaker Mr. Glaciologist.
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Old 11-01-2015, 18:01   #3
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Try this on for size...195 pages but documented.
This society is the mathematical group that does all of the math studies for the French Govt.....they do not have a dog in the fight and approached climate change as a math problem....

http://rennlist.com/forums/redirect-...5_08_24_EN.pdf
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Old 11-01-2015, 19:06   #4
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Off course there is global warming!! Ohio used to be under a glacier 10,000 years ago!
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Old 11-01-2015, 22:45   #5
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Try this on for size...195 pages but documented.
This society is the mathematical group that does all of the math studies for the French Govt.....they do not have a dog in the fight and approached climate change as a math problem....

http://rennlist.com/forums/redirect-...5_08_24_EN.pdf
Thanks for that; I will give that a read. (They will probably be listened to as much Monty's G2 before Market-Garden.)
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Old 11-02-2015, 05:52   #6
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Try this on for size...195 pages but documented.
This society is the mathematical group that does all of the math studies for the French Govt.....they do not have a dog in the fight and approached climate change as a math problem....

http://rennlist.com/forums/redirect-...5_08_24_EN.pdf
Perused some of the carbon cycle stuff.
This came to mind:

http://www.unc.edu/courses/2010sprin...nCycle-Sci.pdf
(Table 1, page 293).

Look how much of the carbon cycle is tied up in the lithosphere.
Sedimentary carbonates (mainly limestone)...

If science can't adequately explain the origin, processes, magnitude of flows, and direction of flows WRT that massive piece of the carbon cycle, why should we care about concerns over the minuscule atmospheric component?
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We actually had real candles inside our (real pumpkin) jack o'lanterns. That must explain the black helicopters circling... gotta go.
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The "science" community has gone the way of the "news" media complete with hidden political agendas. Some like "Scientific American" not hidden and completely left-wing.

Science is not just "question everything" it's now become question the science and the scientist.

Seems everyone has a price these days.
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Old 11-02-2015, 20:33   #9
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We actually had real candles inside our (real pumpkin) jack o'lanterns. That must explain the black helicopters circling... gotta go.
EPA gonna pay you a visit soon.

Your lucky day though...I blew my candles out early so I got some carbon credits to sell you...cheap.
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Your lucky day though...I blew my candles out early so I got some carbon credits to sell you...cheap.
LMAO - what the hell is a carbon credit?
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LMAO - what the hell is a carbon credit?
Fake financial shit to make rich people richer...

http://www.carbonplanet.com/introduc...carbon_credits

What are Carbon Credits?
A carbon credit (often called a carbon offset) is a financial instrument that represents a tonne of CO2 (carbon dioxide) or CO2e (carbon dioxide equivalent gases) removed or reduced from the atmosphere from an emission reduction project, which can be used, by governments, industry or private individuals to offset damaging carbon emissions that they are generating.
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LMAO - what the hell is a carbon credit?
hahaha

....I always thought they were like bit coins, but minted at the international church of al g0re
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Last winter was cold...burned most of my carbon credit certificates in the wood stove.

Firing up the ole color printer now for some more of those early candle extinguishment certificates...goin' cheap...
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Last winter was cold...burned most of my carbon credit certificates in the wood stove.

Firing up the ole color printer now for some more of those early candle extinguishment certificates...goin' cheap...

If you are in the carolinas and you get cold you can burn old growth pine. Lights easy and burns hot...
...you just have to shoo off the wood peckers before you cut the tree down.

Might as well shoo them off... they dont taste that good, and you need at least half a dozen eggs just to make a decent omelet.
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If you are in the carolinas and you get cold you can burn old growth pine. Lights easy and burns hot...
...you just have to shoo off the wood peckers before you cut the tree down.

Might as well shoo them off... they dont taste that good, and you need at least half a dozen eggs just to make a decent omelet.
Sage advice Billy and will act accordingly...but, printing more of my pollution permission slips...er..carbon credit certificates...just warms the heart.

ETA: I hear the next big thing could be Afghan fuel station credit certificates.
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