Combat Vets Destroy the NRA’s Heroic Gunslinger Fantasy (NOT)

[Team Sergeant]

LOL, the "reporter" found one very old Navy SEAL (want to bet he's not a SEAL?) and one Army "sergeant" what an E-5 still wet behind the ears and the whole nation listens to them as "gun experts". What a bunch of liberal bullshit.

Funny not one liberal news rag published our letter concerning the Second Amendment.......

I guess our letter fell on deaf ears.




Combat Vets Destroy the NRA’s Heroic Gunslinger Fantasy

The last thing a chaotic crime scene needs is more untrained civilians carrying guns.

By
Joshua Holland
October 5, 2015

 Wayne LaPierre, the head of the National Rifle Association (NRA), has famously claimed that “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.”

Much of today’s opposition to stronger gun safety regulations rests on the gun lobby’s Hobbesian vision of self-sufficient, heavily-armed citizens standing up to vicious thugs. This Die Hard argument is constantly parroted by politicians and conservatives pundits. But the statistical reality is that for every justifiable homicide in the United States—for every lethal shooting in defense of life or property—guns are used to commit 34 murders and 78 suicides, and are the cause of two accidental deaths, according to an analysis of FBI data by The Washington Post.

LaPierre, a career lobbyist, has no clue what it’s like to use a firearm in anger. But The Nation spoke to several people who do—combat veterans and former law enforcement officers—and who believe that the NRA’s heroic gunslinger mythology is a dangerous fantasy that bears little resemblance to reality. Stephen Benson knows what it’s like when bullets start flying. The former Navy SEAL saw extensive combat during his three tours in Vietnam. Later, while recovering from the wounds that earned him his third Purple Heart, he also trained elite troops at the Naval Special Warfare Center in Coronado, California. “In chaotic situations, the first thing you know is that the shit has hit the fan and you don’t know where the fan is,” says Benson. “And unless it’s constantly drilled into you, it’s very hard to maintain discipline in those situations. You’re immediately hit with a massive thump of adrenaline. Your mouth begins to taste like copper. You can hear the blood moving in your system. You can even experience a kind of time-warp. And the problem with that kind of state is that conscious thought shuts down because you’ve been taken over by your nervous system, and your nervous system is saying, ‘holy shit, things just got really bad.’”

Retired Army Sergeant Rafael Noboa y Rivera, who led a combat team in Iraq, says that most soldiers only function effectively after they’ve been exposed to fire a number a times. “I think there’s this fantasy world of gunplay in the movies, but it doesn’t really happen that way,” he says. “When I heard gunfire [in Iraq], I didn’t immediately pick up my rifle and react. I first tried to ascertain where the shooting was coming from, where I was in relation to the gunfire and how far away it was. I think most untrained people are either going to freeze up, or just whip out their gun and start firing in that circumstance,” Noboa said. “I think they would absolutely panic.”

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http://www.thenation.com/article/com...inger-fantasy/

[atticus finch]

"Funny not one liberal news rag published our letter concerning the Second Amendment.......

I guess our letter fell on deaf ears."

If you're speaking in reference to the letter signed by so many active-duty in regards to protecting and defending the second amendment.
It did not fall on deaf ears, standing on my side of the fence I can tell you it was heard and made quite an impact.
It was partly how and/or why I found this site, I was looking to see if that letter was true, or just urban myth.

[blacksmoke]

We don't need a citizen with a gun to stop a gunman, you need a gov't agent to stop a gunman.

[blacksmoke]

I wouldn't care what unit he was in, unless he's going to PSD me and my kids around town.

[DIYPatriot]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

I know there is a place where these guys are verified. Anyone called the SEAL's yet to ask?

Don Shipley - and for your entertainment, here he is being outed as a real Navy SEAL by a fake Navy SEAL.

[Hand]

Originally Posted by DIYPatriot

Don Shipley - and for your entertainment, here he is being outed as a real Navy SEAL by a fake Navy SEAL.

He graduated from BUD/S class 6991 in Pensacola, Fla.

*snicker*

[Hand]

In my year in Iraq, I lost track of how many times my guys asked me why so many Iraqis viewed us with distrust when we were trying to help them. The question would arise while we were walking the beat with Iraqi police officers, manning checkpoints, or in our forward operating base after we went off-duty.

Invariably, my response went something like this: “Imagine that you’re back home, OK? Suddenly, you got a whole mess of Iraqi soldiers in your town. They’re all over the place, doing the same things we’re doing right now. How do you think you’d react? You’d probably get pretty hot, right?”

The notion that my illustration would become anything other than that scarcely crossed my mind. Yet, here we are in August of 2014, 10 years after I got back from Iraq, and the police agencies that have patrolled the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — until they were relieved of duty on Thursday amid public outrage over their heavy-handed tactics — have the kind of armor and weaponry that my men and I would have envied in the performance of our duties in an actual combat zone.

Let me repeat that: the police in Ferguson have better armor and weaponry than my men and I did in the middle of a war. And Ferguson isn’t alone — police departments across the US are armed for war.

The gear and weaponry worn by police officers in Ferguson aren’t just clothing and tools. They’re meant to accomplish certain tasks, and they will elicit certain responses from the people who encounter them. When my men and I donned our helmets and body armor, and carried our weapons out on patrol, we were at war. Our gear wasn’t just protective, it was meant to be downright unwelcoming. That was the point — it’s combat gear, not a costume you wear to look “tactical.”

Source

- this from Rafael Noboa y Rivera

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Hand

Source

- this from Rafael Noboa y Rivera

Rafael Noboa y Rivera, not the sharpest tool in the box.......

That's OK, he's a great "tool" for the liberal left-wing socialists. The lib's love a "combat vet" that will say anything they want him to.....

The day the police are better armed than the US military is the day I move to Mexico........

Rafael Noboa y Rivera, you're a low IQ idiot.







In my year in Iraq, I lost track of how many times my guys asked me why so many Iraqis viewed us with distrust when we were trying to help them. The question would arise while we were walking the beat with Iraqi police officers, manning checkpoints, or in our forward operating base after we went off-duty.

Invariably, my response went something like this: “Imagine that you’re back home, OK? Suddenly, you got a whole mess of Iraqi soldiers in your town. They’re all over the place, doing the same things we’re doing right now. How do you think you’d react? You’d probably get pretty hot, right?”

The notion that my illustration would become anything other than that scarcely crossed my mind. Yet, here we are in August of 2014, 10 years after I got back from Iraq, and the police agencies that have patrolled the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — until they were relieved of duty on Thursday amid public outrage over their heavy-handed tactics — have the kind of armor and weaponry that my men and I would have envied in the performance of our duties in an actual combat zone.

Let me repeat that: the police in Ferguson have better armor and weaponry than my men and I did in the middle of a war. And Ferguson isn’t alone — police departments across the US are armed for war.

The gear and weaponry worn by police officers in Ferguson aren’t just clothing and tools. They’re meant to accomplish certain tasks, and they will elicit certain responses from the people who encounter them. When my men and I donned our helmets and body armor, and carried our weapons out on patrol, we were at war. Our gear wasn’t just protective, it was meant to be downright unwelcoming. That was the point — it’s combat gear, not a costume you wear to look “tactical.”

[kalanis]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

I know there is a place where these guys are verified. Anyone called the SEAL's yet to ask?

Not a SEAL. Google his name and you will find the post on Stolen Valor's Facebook site.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by kalanis

Not a SEAL. Google his name and you will find the post on Stolen Valor's Facebook site.

LOL, Game Set Match..... liberal morons.

Well done.

[Pete]

My Google Fu is weak this afternoon. Anybody find a link?

[SF0]

Should be the fourth or fifth article down, Pete.

https://www.facebook.com/StolenValor

[Pete]

Thanks

[CAARNG 68W]

Where was this crap published? I googled the author, Joshua Holland. He hasn't made it too far out of salon.com in terms of publishing success.


I was always taught nothing is more important than pushing through an ambush.

[sinjefe]

That's what you get for reading salon.com

If they are this wrong about this what else are the wrong about?

hint: Everything.