GA Man killed in no knock raid

[YM Cating]

It looks as though another man was killed in a poorly executed raid. The raid was based on a tip from a drug addict who had stolen the guys car and then claimed he found drugs inside the vehicle, after turning himself in. After searching the home, no drugs were found.

And as usual MSM hasn't touched this.

Police departments need to stop playing military. Completely wrong environment for that mindset.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1523919/a-g...stole-his-car/


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1...no-drugs-found


EDIT:

It seems I was wrong, some of the MSM are starting to report it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_5949318.html

[The Reaper]

This excessive use of force and murder of innocent civilians without real justice erodes public confidence in law enforcement.

LEOs need to be denied military gear and tactics unless confronting threats for which there is no other recourse.

No knock and other such invasive warrants need to be severely curtailed with a demonstrated need and accountability for consequences. Risk assessments should be part of the warrant package submitted to judges.

"SWATting" needs to be made a felony.

Finally, officers wrongfully killing civilians need to be charged and sent before a grand jury for possible charges and trial. Instead of at worst, being allowed to move on to another department, individual officers need to be accountable for their actions as anyone else would be.

If these murders are allowed to continue unpunished, police will experience an ever increasing public mistrust and hostility from their citizens.

TR

[YM Cating]

It's extremely troubling. This guy has his car stolen, his wife sees masked men outside, thinks the crackheads came back for more. As a good husband should, he grabs his shotgun to defend his family and that's it.

Now we have to have a doubt in our mind when defending our homes. Is it a criminal coming through the door? Is it a police officer? That should never be a question. We shouldn't ever have to fear accidentally killing a police officer, or being killed by a police officer we thought was a criminal invading our homes.

No knock raids are a serious thing and should only ever be used after extensive investigation has been conducted and there is no doubt they are raiding an extremely violent, criminal compound.

For instance, there was another raid recently on an Okra farmer who the GA police thought was growing pot. Luckily no one was injured. But it just goes to show that these guys do ZERO intel gathering. My question is, how are they getting warrants on only one piece of "evidence?" I mean even the media get corroborating stories before going to print, so who the hell is signing off on this stuff?

http://modernfarmer.com/2014/10/geor...arm-find-okra/

[Box]

I've had very little confidence in Law Enforcement for most of my adult life.

Not that CONFIDENCE is my biggest worry anyway. My issues are TRUST and FEAR.

-I don't have CONFIDENCE that the Cubbies will win back to back World Series during my lifetime...
...but I still like the Cubbies.

No sir, my problem isn't a lack of confidence with law enforcement. In fact, I have plenty of confidence in law enforcement:
-confidence that we will continue to see them botch traffic stops and swing halligan tools at the pasenger window because the passenger wouldn't show ID or roll the window down
-confidence that we will continue to see them shoot WILDLY at a van load of kids
-confidence that they will pick up money from a convenience store counter and then LATER only after they've been called on it, claim they were going to give it back
-confidence that they will continue to ABUSE the use of "no-knock" warrants
-confidence that they will continue to get away with it facing no accountability whatsoever
-confident that I could go on and on with examples

How much confidence can you have in what is being advertised anyway...
...hell even as a kid, I remember thinking, "officer friendly is such a really cool dude, but he sure is a fat donut eating pudgy little fuck.

Nope. My problem is a complete lack of TRUST in law enforcement. I don't TRUST officer friendly any more.
-I don't have confidence in the Cubbies taking two back to back world series titles...
...but I do TRUST that they are giving it all they've got: Heart and Soul

I FEAR seeing a cop in my neighborhood more than I fear seeing a stranger. I can deal with a stranger on MY OWN terms and if he becomes surprisingly violent, I can retaliate in kind as I see fit. I can even run away if I want and face no penalty.
It's that absolute fear that in a time of crisis even the best of modern law enforcement officers will choose to bring harm upon me when given a choice between "protecting me" or advancing some faceless politicians law enforcement political agenda. For that matter, I don't even "trust" that a good cop will stand up and shine the light of justice on his fellow officer if he were to bear witness to my untimely demise at the hands of a shitty cop. Nope, I even FEAR that the "good" cops will turn their back on me if forced to choose between me and a bad cop.
Oh, and I also AIN'T the least bit afraid that the Cubbies starting lineup is going to appear at my house in the middle of the night and murder my fucking wife and kids because someone told them I might have a collection of St Louis Cardinals memorobilia in my house.
That Route-66 rivalry is pretty damned serious you know...
-I don't have CONFIDENCE in the Cubbies taking two back to back world series titles...
...but I am not afraid of the Cubbies bumbling through the process of violently robbing my family of their civil rights and freedoms.


Rudy Ridge and Waco didn't just happen last year. The easy way to digest the frivolity that is modern American law enforcement is to pretend that "it all started on 9/11". I hear that a lot these days, "Since 9/11 we have over militarized American law enforcement.". What about Waco? What about Ruby Ridge? Are we still not ready to call that "over-militarization" of feral law enforcement?
Sorry... I meant feDEral law enforcement

What about a guy named Lon Horiuchi?
...in 1992 he shot and killed an unarmed woman that was holding a baby. It took 5 years to get that case into court, and even then, his case was dismissed. Oddly, it was the 9th Circus that dismessed his case...
Sorry, I meant 9th CIRCUIT court - you know the one that even the Supreme Court of The United States of America has complained about...
Go figure, psssibly the most liberal appeals court in the nation dismissed a firearms related manslaughter charge...
...well, it WAS a government employee shooting at rednecks. CASE DISMISSED, because, well, because fuck you - we're the government and we can do what we want.

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Then of course there is all that time away from home MANY of us spent during the 1990's doing those super awesome "JTF-6" rotations. That was a pretty good effort at militarizing federal law enforcement, and it sure as hell didn't happen after 9/11. Most of them couldn't shoot worth a blind fuck. Their observation skills where almost as good as what you'd expect from Stevie Wonder after a night of hard drinking, and the collective attitude about how fucking cool they were, was pure jackassery a good 5-8 years BEFORE 9/11. Yet, we spent a lot of time and effort playing into their desires. They talked a big fucking game, but even back then, they wore their thigh holsters down around the knees of their BDU style black SWAT fatigues, lose as fuck with all of the outward demeanor of Barney Fife trying to make someone move a double parked car in downtown Mayberry. JTF-6 back in the 90's was when also the first time I heard a cop levy the statement "blue is for kissing ass, black is for kicking ass", of course now all of these warrior studs wear mulitcam instead...
...because you know, black tactical gear is sooo 1990's


I never did figure out why every fucking government agency under the sun needs to have a "tactical" team for law enforcement and even though most of us thought they were clowns, we still had to go out and play army with them. No sireebob... this has been going on since WAAAAAY before 9/11 and the end is no where in sight.


I sure do hope the Cubs have better luck next year.

[JM1347]

Sounds like some very sloppy police work. Information from somebody under the influence of meth should have been an immediate red flag. Plus using information from another officer 5 years prior should have never been taken into account on this warrant. From what the article states apparently there was something on the warrant that made it invalid, plus did not authorize a no-knock raid, so the cops definitely violated the law. Everyone involved in this raid should be prosecuted for felony homicide to include the magistrate who signed the warrant.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by JM1347

Everyone involved in this raid should be prosecuted for felony homicide to include the magistrate who signed the warrant.

That will not happen.

It never does.

And therein is the root of the problem.

Zero accountability or responsibility.

TR

[fng13]

Adding the fact that prosecutors lead the grand jury almost ensures the majority of these cases will never make it to trial, unless the prosecutor really doesn't like the police force he works with.

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

needs to have a "tactical" team for law enforcement

well, unfortunately sometimes standard 9mm or .40 or .45+baton+taser-wielding LEO do get outgunned. A LEO told me he hates responding to domestic dispute the most because one never knows what's going to take place. A very recent case in Fatalville is just that. A domestic dispute when the dad started spraying with several clips of 7.62x39. Three deputies were shot multiple times but survived. Son and grandfather DRT. IIRC, only the canine handler showed up with an AR. She got shot too.

A retired PD EOD officer told me recently that she hates all the AR and AK-owning crowd. She vehemently believes those are just for shooting cops. I told her my perspective but needless to say, we agreed to disagree

[Ambush Master]

Originally Posted by JM1347

Sounds like some very sloppy police work. Information from somebody under the influence of meth should have been an immediate red flag. Plus using information from another officer 5 years prior should have never been taken into account on this warrant. From what the article states apparently there was something on the warrant that made it invalid, plus did not authorize a no-knock raid, so the cops definitely violated the law. Everyone involved in this raid should be prosecuted for felony homicide to include the magistrate who signed the warrant.

And the Prosecution should INCLUDE the judges that issue the warrants!!!

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

^ entire post ^ and
I sure do hope the Cubs have better luck next year.

We will know more after Mesa in 2015, but only about the Cubbies. Actually I have more confidence that they could win their division than 'murika will reach their tipping point on this multicam in the city tacticool klusterflop.

And AM is right, the judge signing the warrant gets at least initially arraigned as a co-conspirator.

One of these days the Stasi will knock down the back door of the wrong house (for them, oops) and get piled up by someone who knows what they're doing.

Meanwhile, go Cubs, see ya in AZ.

[Hand]

Here is a bit of follow up : http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/loc...back/20213383/

He says Hooks had four wounds, two of which he says are very problematic. Shook says that's according to the Laurens County EMS records. He says the same information is found in the medical records from Fairview Park Hospital.

"One was to the side of the head, the other, was in his back, the back of his left shoulder, based on the evidence we see, we believe that David Hooks was face down on the ground when he received those last two shots," says Shook.

Shook says they have not received the autopsy yet from the GBI.

[Flagg]

I recently found this recent conference page(when reading the 75th Ranger Regiment book Violence of Action):

http://aztac.org/2014-conference-speaker-bios

A couple things stand out to me:

1)The logos top left of a Spartan giving a "tactical officer" a cuddle trying to emulate a Ranger, bar the drop keg holster.

Cops clearly look up to units like 75th Ranger Regiment, SMUs, and SF(unfortunately just the DA slice).

Their attempt to shape the association of the two is just insane in my opinion.

They are Police with some specialist duties, not Seal Team 6.

2)There's an example on the page of where folks in the SOF/SMU/SF community are brought in to speak.

Doesn't this mean your community possesses the opportunity to influence training and shape perceptions in the appropriate direction?

If the guys "tactical officers" look up to and are trying to emulate for all the wrong reasons tell them as a community that they are "doing it wrong", would that not have potential impact?

[UWOA (RIP)]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

1) This excessive use of force and murder of innocent civilians without real justice erodes public confidence in law enforcement.

2) LEOs need to be denied military gear and tactics unless confronting threats for which there is no other recourse.

3) No knock and other such invasive warrants need to be severely curtailed with a demonstrated need and accountability for consequences. Risk assessments should be part of the warrant package submitted to judges.

4) "SWATting" needs to be made a felony.

5) Finally, officers wrongfully killing civilians need to be charged and sent before a grand jury for possible charges and trial. Instead of at worst, being allowed to move on to another department, individual officers need to be accountable for their actions as anyone else would be.

6) If these murders are allowed to continue unpunished, police will experience an ever increasing public mistrust and hostility from their citizens.

TR

1) Agreed, except I would change 'murder' to 'death' for reasons explained below.

2) Understand, but then ask ... when do they get to train with the equipment and the tactics to employ it when no other option exists. Otherwise, all you're getting is the Wild West. I started both the SWAT team and the Bomb Disposal Unit for the Marion County Sheriff's Department in Indianapolis, IN back in the late 70's. The major point that differentiated us from other such tactical units is that we had an employment SOP that was taught throughout the agency and adhered to.

3) You're barking up the wrong tree. This area is the province of judges and the legal system and they (after careful deliberation of both statutory law and case law) reach a decision about what warrants will be authorized.

4) SWATing? What the $$%% is SWATing. When I was involved in such operations I placed a lot of emphasis on one portion over another -- special weapons, not so much; special tactics created by thinking outside the box but within the legal parameters set by statute and dedicated to the premise of 'protect and serve' and that included the suspect(s) to the maximum extent possible. At the end of the day, because of the venue, it's called law enforcement -- I don't care if you're wearing a bathing suit and firing a water cannon or wearing Captain America's jumpsuit and deploying in a hover craft.

5) This is confusing; you're mixing apples and oranges. If you're charging them with an offense, then you don't need a grand jury. What I would expect here (and what I've recommended in the past) is that a total separate law enforcement agency (not connected to the incident) investigate the actions of a tactical unit and that prosecutors or district attorneys be specially trained to handle and present such investigatory results to a duly constituted grand jury.

6) Don't agree with the inflammatory language, because by definition 'murder' is a defined set of circumstances; however, if such events are not transparently investigated and immune to the bias created by a lack of information, and a duly constituted body whose authority to decide if charges are not acceptable to the public, then you will have mistrust and chaos. An option to deal with the last condition is to unmask the grand jury prior to any such deliberations and find a way to have the citizens of that political enclave decide if they are competent to make such a decision. If so, they'd have to accept the results.

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[Pete]

SWATing has been around since at least 2007.

It's all fun as long as it's not your house being raided.

http://www.fastcompany.com/3007161/c...orm-your-house

They even have a Wiki page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting

[UWOA (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

Sir, "SWATing" is when someone calls the police pretending to be someone else and tells the police something like, "I have just murdered my wife and children..." something like that. So the police respond to the house in which they think this happened, usually with a SWAT team, while meanwhile the residents of said home have no idea that their home is possibly about to be busted into by a SWAT team.

Okay, first I've heard of it due to my sheltered existence ....

Mea culpa, TR. Disregard my hyperbole ....

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