12-15-2004, 07:59
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Blast Injuries
with the significant increase in suicide bombers I thought this re-newed thread would be appropriate. Previous threads have touched on a few issues related to blast injuries, I wanted to start with a "guide" that was printable as a primer for care of the patient involved in a blast.
This will also hopefully begin a discussion of specific injuries and treatments. Most importantly is recognition of the pending/delayed injuries....the obvious ones are just that, obvious, my concern is the non-observable and how the medic can literally make the difference in the outcome by recognition of the potential problems. Here is the first part or summary then let the questions begin:
Explosion
This wave of compressed air can be measured as overpressure or direct impulse.
The magnitude of the overpressure is proportional to the amount and type of explosive used.
Overpressure
Overpressure is measured in pounds per square inch.
Relative power is calculated by multiplying PSI X duration in milliseconds of the impulse.
overpressure of 58 – 80psi is 95% lethal.
7 – 8psi can shear brick walls or overturn rail cars.
5psi can rupture tympanic membranes.
0.5 – 1psi can break windows and knock people down.
Injury Physiology
Lung injury
– 0-48 hrs to manifest signs/symptoms!!!!!
dyspnea, cough, hemoptysis, chest pain
if going to O.R. or air transport, consider chest decompressions
Ear Injury
hearing loss, tinnitus, otalgia, vertigo, bleeding, otorrhea
Abdominal injury
abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, hematemesis, rectal pain, testicular pain, shock state, peritonitis
Brain injury
concussion / TBI (and associated symptoms), headache, fatigue, reduced concentration, lethargy, depression, anxiety, insomnia, seizures, depressed GCS, pupil changes, weakness, paresthesias
Shock Wave
The shock wave has 3 components:
– Positive phase
– Negative phase
– Mass air movement
Positive phase.
– Velocity and duration of the blast head.
Dependant upon:
– Size/type of the explosive
– Surrounding media
– Distance from the detonation.
Shock Wave
Closed spaces magnify the effects of the direct impulse.
“Shock Wave” “bounces” off hard surfaces and is referred to as a “Reflected Impulse.”
Shock Wave
Shock waves all create similar rates of rise in pressures at the blast front.
The magnitude of this “positive-phase impulse” becomes the important property in the generation of the Primary Blast Injury (PBI).
Shock Wave
Negative phase.
– Partial vacuum is created near the epicenter after outward movement of air
– Consumption of oxygen by the burning process.
The “reflected impulse” may combine with the “direct impulse” and increase injuries at a greater distance from the blast site than expected.
Shock Wave
Effects are cumulative.
Example:
– A blast that causes a 1% mortality when experienced once, causes a 20% mortality when experienced twice, and 100% mortality if experienced three times.
Primary Blast Injury
Caused by shock wave from explosion
– tissues are disrupted at air/fluid interfaces in a process called “spalling”
ears and lungs are most commonly injured
bowel injuries more common with under water blasts
– degree of injury is related to the magnitude and duration of the peak overpressure of the blast shock wave
– death nearest to blast is usually caused by massive cerebral & coronary air embolism
Secondary Blast Injury
Caused by debris set in motion by shock wave that impacts the body
Injuries - Penetrating
Secondary blast injuries
– Injuries from devices that contain foreign bodies:
Nails
Rivets
Ball bearings
Nuts and bolts,
Etc.
Injuries - Penetrating
Medically, usually no different than other penetrating injuries seen.
Complicated by the PBI’s.
Bone and tissue from suicide bombers may be secondary missiles.
– Aids, hepatitis, etc.
Secondary Missiles
Injuries - Penetrating
Secondary missiles created by container fragments or added missiles can have velocities of up to 1,500m/sec.
Rapid deceleration seconday to poor ballistic properties.
Tertiary Blast Injury
Displacement of victims body to crash into other objects
Injuries
Tertiary injuries – Blunt trauma.
– Physically thrown through the air and strike or impale themselves on objects.
– Collapsing structures.
– Other objects propelled through the air striking the victim.
Tertiary Injuries
Severe head injury is a leading cause of death in victims of blasts.
Subdural and subarachnoid hemorrhages are the most common findings in fatalities.
Injuries
Thermal injuries
Primary or secondary incendiary.
– Inhalation
– Dermal
Scene
Recent studies suggest the PBI victims do poorly when strenuous physical activity follows significant blast loading.
– Reduce activity of potential blast-exposed individuals.
– Provide history of activity to ED personnel receiving patient.
Medical Management
On site treatment is VITALLY important
– rapid stabilization
– control of hemorrhage
– splinting of fractures
– cleaning and covering of wounds
antibiotics
analgesics
med control contact
transport initiation
Medical Management
On site treatment is VITALLY important
– immediate determination of concomitant radiation, chemical or biological contamination
decon if possible
– patient and you
Tactical Field Care
CPR is not initiated if no signs of life
– no respirations
– no palpable pulse
– no response to any stimuli
naso-pharyngeal airway is airway of choice for unconscious patient
Severe respiratory distress = need for chest needle decompression
Tactical Field Care
Controlled bleeding without signs of shock don’t need IV fluid
– controlled bleeding & in shock = 250-500mL NSS boluses
– uncontrolled bleeding & in shock, but mentating, no IVF
if depressed mental status, give bolus
Antibiotics for abdominal wounds
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12-15-2004, 08:35
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Thanks for the refresher SS.
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12-15-2004, 09:14
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Good info!!
The armor situation has been riden ad nauseum by the press but I would think that the vast majority of casualties from IEDs are from blast and not fragmentation. All of the light armor in the world isn't going to stop the effects of blast.
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12-15-2004, 09:39
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Depending on the grade of armor, installation and type of explosive used, you could get significant fragmentation from interior face spalling. Bad day in anyone's book.
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12-15-2004, 17:17
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Actually, the uparmor does work against both (shrapnel and overpressure). This UAHMMWV took a HUGE IED blast just 200m north of the old team house in Samarra on the big Nov 30 fire fight last year. All three soldiers substained minor injuries (which our 18D treated), with the Plt Sgt returning to the fight. The 240 gunner up top received the worst injury, but he was still RTD.
Most soldiers who die from IED attacks are dying from blunt trauma head injuries, this is what killed our Tm Sgt Kelly Hornbeck. He was in a unarmored Land Rover when a IED sent a piece of shrapnel through the windshield impacting his helmet and causing his helmet to deform inward causing massive trauma to the brain.
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12-18-2004, 05:20
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swatsurgeon:
tx for the post. I am making a PowerPoint for a class on blast injuries, what is you ref. On the post.
And do anybody know of good place to get medical pic. From? I find it hard to get medical pic of war injuries. I only have my own from iraq, and what i can get from friends.
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12-18-2004, 10:38
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Originally Posted by rudelsg2
Most soldiers who die from IED attacks are dying from blunt trauma head injuries, this is what killed our Tm Sgt Kelly Hornbeck. He was in a unarmored Land Rover when a IED sent a piece of shrapnel through the windshield impacting his helmet and causing his helmet to deform inward causing massive trauma to the brain.
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K-Pot, MICH, or something else, if I might ask?
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12-18-2004, 13:45
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TR, it was a MICH.
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12-18-2004, 13:57
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Originally Posted by rudelsg2
TR, it was a MICH.
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what it his helmet?
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12-18-2004, 14:18
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Nothing will be universally effective but I think additional armor is being overplayed by the press. Land mines, IEDs and demolitions ambushes have been around for centuries. It seems that the media only recently discovered they exist. I can only speak from personal experience of 30+ years ago but I don't think things have changed that much. The VC used shaped charges and B-40 rockets. The B-40 penetrates 40 inches or more of reinforced concrete. Nothing but the most sophisticated armor was safe against it. The defense was stand-off --- chain-link fencing causing the round to detonate before getting to the target.
Most of what I see is blast, to include the damage in the above picture. Improperly installed armor inside the vehicle will also become shrapnel in the event of a blast. IMHO Iraq/ Afghanistan is sitting in the midst of the greatest armor factory in the world -- SAND!! I believe a layer of sandbags on the floor board of a vehicle could be just as effective as pieces of scrap metal. Probably more effective. Sandbags not only stop or slow down projectiles but also dissipate a lot of the effects of blast.
The solution to IED ambushes has to be vigilance, and knowledge due to proper training.
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12-18-2004, 14:32
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Originally Posted by rudelsg2
TR, it was a MICH.
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Damn.
I am sorry to hear that.
Looks like a pretty big piece moving pretty fast. Not much you can do about it on the personal protective gear side.
RIP.
QRQ, I have to agree with you.
The RPG has been around since the PanzerFaust. We should have already found a better countermeasure for it.
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12-18-2004, 15:15
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I don't want to see this great thread get highjacked about armored HMMWVs but since it went that way.
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Nothing will be universally effective but I think additional armor is being overplayed by the press.
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I totally agree. You make do wioth what you have UNTIL Uncle Sam gives you the proper tools for the job. But, I'll talk about my experience gained on our last rotation. We had all unarmored GMV's, Land Rovers and Hiluxs. We still executed our missions in an IED, RPG heavy area. Our main ally was Speed, keeping the enemy off balance by changing our routes and mostly LUCK. But, after a while your luck runs out. We got lucky with three near misses and then Kelly got hit. We still executed missions after his death. We didn't receive UAHMMWV until after he was killed and we were on our way out. I believe if we had had the Uparmored Hummer, Kelly would be alive today. But people die in combat and that's the way it is.
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Most of what I see is blast, to include the damage in the above picture. Improperly installed armor inside the vehicle will also become shrapnel in the event of a blast
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Yes, alot is blast, but alot is shrapnel, an IF this had been our ODA in our GMV's with no armour we all would have been dead. Look at the rear door's ballistic glass, if this had been us, one of our heads would have been missing. The TC would be dead due to the fact the windshield frame would have been completely blown in on him and the fragments not stopped by that ballistic glass in the TC door, he would have eaten that also.
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IMHO Iraq/ Afghanistan is sitting in the midst of the greatest armor factory in the world -- SAND!! I believe a layer of sandbags on the floor board of a vehicle could be just as effective as pieces of scrap metal. Probably more effective. Sandbags not only stop or slow down projectiles but also dissipate a lot of the effects of blast.
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The UAHMMWV I talk about are PROPERLY armored vehicles not the ones with sheet steel added that don't really stop anything anyway. Yes, sand bags work real well. We sandbagged the hell out of our compound and they absorbed alot of rocket, RPG and mortar rounds when we took hits. But you can't sandbag your GMV into a bunker and still drive around and a layer of sandbags in the floor work well if you run over anti-personnel mines, but not for AT mines. Most IED injuries come through the door and windshield not the floor board.
When you hit a AT mine in a HMMWV it usually flips it over and now the sandbags are on top of you. 10th Group had a UAHMMWV hit 2 AT mines stacked on top of one another in Kosovo in 99' and only one guy was killed in that vehicle. That vehicle was flipped over and the soldier actually died from head trauma (no seat belt or helmet) and not the blast or shrapnel.
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The solution to IED ambushes has to be vigilance, and knowledge due to proper training.
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I keep hearing this from people who haven't been there. Sometimes there's nothing you can do but hope your actions and the enemies actions are not on the same time line, unless you have armor to get you through that intial blast.
Take this how you want. By all means if anyone doesn't believe you need UAHMMVWs in a HOSTILE URBAN enviroment, then I suggest you go to the Sunni Triangle and drive around it for 5 months in an unarmoured vehicle and then drive around in an uparmored one and see which one takes a little less toll on your nerves at the end of the day. In the end the Uparmor isn't about INVINCIBILITY it about SURVIVABILITY.
I've driven around the cities in the Sunni Triangle in an unarmored GMV with nothing but a MICH, ballistic goggles and BALCS body armor between me and the next IED around the curve. I've also seen first hand the outcome of both IED aftermaths in unarmored and armoured. I'll take the armor.
That's my experience.
**edited to correct some spelling mistakes**
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12-18-2004, 16:48
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OK Rudelsg let's keep this a friendly discussion. I know I wasn't there. Believe it or not we all have or had or will have our wars to fight. I wasn't referring to the UAHummv. I was referring to the media making a big thing about troops rummaging through trash piles to find scrap metal to reinforce the floor boards.
I agree with Rumsfeld: you go to war with what you have, not with what you wish you had. R&D is constantly 5 to 10 years ahead of production. I'd bet Cearar's legionaires would have loved to have Hummvs.
I have seen a presentation of IEDs. I am wondering if a barrage frequency generator/transmitter could be used to pre-maturely detonate the devices.
Cool off and let's tip a few.
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12-18-2004, 21:24
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QRQ30, please don't take this as a heated discussion as the written word on the internet doesn't allow the true tone of a conversation and can be misinterpeted. But, I'm a pretty matter of fact guy and that's how I discuss things, so sometimes I come off kind of "gruff".
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I was referring to the media making a big thing about troops rummaging through trash piles to find scrap metal to reinforce the floor boards
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Gottcha and I know where your comming from. When our guys starting doing the "Joe Dirt" armor applique to the GMVs, our team didn't because the stuff didn't add any protection from IEDs and it just slowed down our GMVs (speed was our greatest friend , there and gone before they knew you were there).
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I agree with Rumsfeld: you go to war with what you have, not with what you wish you had. R&D is constantly 5 to 10 years ahead of production.
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I agree with this point also, I lived thru the Clinton era military (insert Shelton "Do more with less" mantra here) and saw the US ARMY get bled dry from the Bosnia and Kosovo rotations while budgets were cut (there's a reason why we had a national budget surplus). This is why the main manufacture has had to ramp up production from 15 UAHMMWV a month to 450. There was a excellent brief on the armor issue on C-SPAN this week, very informative. Fortunately, we have the right people from the JCS to the Commander in Chief who will and have gave this military what it needs to fight and win the shooting wars we are now in.
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I'd bet Cearar's legionaires would have loved to have Hummvs.
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I'm sure the Romans would have, if they had been around and especially if the Carthaginians had had IEDs.
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I am wondering if a barrage frequency generator/transmitter could be used to pre-maturely detonate the devices.
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I have seen the presentation of this kit, I won't go into specifics on it here, but while it offers a narrow usage anti-IED tool, it also has quite a bit of negative aspects to friendly forces also.
Sits back and takes a draw off the keg-o-rator.
**edited to correct some spelling errors**
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12-18-2004, 21:42
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Yup!! Speed and unscheduled and small targets. I was occasionally on a jeep or 3/4 making a run between Kontum and Pleiku. We went "pedal to the metal". The VC were probably so occupied rolling around laughing at us bouncing down the dusty road that they didn't have time to activate an ambush. Besides there were bigger fish to fry -- 4th ID convoys.
I know what you mean about non- face to face communications. Hell, sometimes I scare myself when I hear a recording I have made on the phone.
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